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Fatigue's a thing, but if episode 9 had been the first Star Wars movie in twenty years, it would have gotten the same reception. Also people would be confused why it was continuing a storyline that had last been touched on twenty years ago as if no time had passed but the thought experiment sorta breaks down at that point.
Anakin and Luke both trained with jedi masters.....
I wish I could recommend Star Wars Theory to you guys another great YouTube Channel like yourselves. However I don’t know how you could watch them without being spoiled by stuff you haven’t seen yet. Maybe I could send you guys videos of his older stuff that I know wouldn’t spoil anything you’re about to watch? Do you guys have an email or anything I could send to. Anyways I did want to answer why Disney moved to TV Series focus. There were mixed reactions from fans and critics, particularly regarding the changes in directors and creative directions. J.J. Abrams directed Episodes 7 and 9, while Rian Johnson directed Episode 8. The differing visions led to some controversy and division among fans.
As far as I know, the original books, comic books, video games and other content pre-purchase by Disney are still non-canon, or "Legends." It was a smart move as many games and novels had historically (hilariously) contradicted each other. What Disney has been trying to do is slowly reintegrate the "Legends" content into canon, but through discretion and choice use so as to make it make sense with the actually lore of the movies.
George received a lot of hate in the 90's-2000's because of his changes to the original movies after a decade+ of time and the original "negative" reaction he received for how the Prequels were made and handled. He had plans for a proper sequel but after being "hated" so much, he gave up and sold the rights and the company to Disney, of which he donated I think half of to charity, so he wasn't even doing it for the money, so I've heard.
The solo movies (not to be confused with the movie "Solo") were their attempt to break from the trilogy motif to create Anthology movies. There was supposedly suppose to be a third and more movies after Rogue One and Solo but because of the fan reaction of the sequels and that they weren't making money from them or Solo, that stopped (covid didn't help either). Mandalorian, however, which came out before Ep 9 showed they could still have power house content but not always big screen. Disney's been resting on their laurels lately though with most of their content that it shows in their productions.
they "explain" why rey is so powerful either in episode 8 or 9, the reason why her sudden mastery of the force is so weird is because unlike anakin and luke she didn't train and almost instantly learned how to use a force technique. anakin and luke were prodigies and even with untrained force abilities they were able to use it pretty well, however they obviously didn't know how to manipulate minds the moment they came in contact with the force or learn how to force pull in less than a day.
my point is that despite being some of the most powerful force users in the galaxy they still needed training before being able to properly use a force technique, so its really weird when rey uses a technique she didn't even know existed (and no what kylo did wasn't manipulation in the same way rey did a few minutes later, they're similar but not the same)
“Why is she so powerful?” Was asked repeatedly by Ruff. Boy are they in for a wild ride for the rest of this trilogy lol.
So an interesting fact, Harrison Ford (Han Solo) hated playing his character in Star Wars & only agreed to come back in this movie if they killed him off. He has been very vocal about his distaste for Star Wars which is unfortunate but ultimately can't be helped
I actually graduated from the same high school that Adam Driver graduated from, so when this movie first came out, as thanks to the thespian society that he was a part of, he gave away 2 free tickets to the movie premiere and an all-inclusive flight and hotel stay for my school to give away to winners from a drawing. Obviously, I didn't win, but I still thought it was super cool then.
they should stop making the trilogies and make a new series, make a series about the events of the books and call it Star Wars: Legends. Boom, the material is all already there, adapt it to movie format and make the hardcore fans, like myself, happy. I would love for them to do that with 'The Old Republic' but I know they would likely screw it up or just not do it, so i dont expect to ever see it.
That’s what George Lucas proposed when he first signed over the franchise, and then Kathleen Kennedy literally went “Hmmm, nah.” It was a big scandal among the fans when that was leaked sometime around Episode 7’s production/trailer release
7 is definitely the most liked out of this trilogy, I personally loved this movie in my teens.
Honestly besides the casino bits I feel 8 is stronger
When Kylo looked at Finn at the village during the opening of the movie, it was because he had sensed Finn’s internal conflict, and also, semi-spoiler, his force sensitivity.
I like to imagine BB8 didn’t give Finn the thumbs up when he told the base’s location, but instead that it was giving Fin the finger 😂
Chewie R2
Luke and Leia
3PO are the only characters to appeare on screen in all 3 trilogys
I personally like 7, Rogue one, and Solo. But 8 and 9 have a few too many plot issues for me. Doesn't help that they had alternating writers who disagreed on where to take the story.
8 really disappointed me, especially because Luke was my childhood hero growing up. And 9 was just a serious desperate attempt to make things right and it only made things worse. After that, it was all too easy to consider the legends books as the true sequels
I like what 8 does with Luke personally - but everything else is still an issue. And 9 I'd uh... a choice
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I hope they save rouge one and solo for after these 3
Snoke is so cool, I wonder what his deal is?😅
I think this trilogy was fine. Flawed, certainly, but so were the prequels, and I'd even argue that the original trilogy had its flaws as well. But people view those movies with rose tinted glasses these days, and wave away the flaws as part of the charm. I'm sure when ever another trilogy is done, the same thing will happen.
Also a bit disappointed the gang didn't even up watching the Kylo Ren undercover boss skit, that was a good one.
For those who don’t know George sold lucasfilm in part because of the backlash the prequels got. It was so severe that he was seriously considering never making another SW film again. Yea, he worked directly on Clone Wars but there was a long time when we fans thought there’d never be a theatrically released SW movie ever again. Even if I have issues with this trilogy I’m thankful that it gave me a SW theater experience. I was a kid when the prequels came out but didn’t get to see them in theaters so Force Awakens was the first time I saw one of these movies on the big screen.
We're finally in the sequels/modern SW era LFG I cant wait for you guys to see ROGUE ONE BABYYYY
Can’t wait for you to see Rogue One and Andor
For Ruff, Boom, and Eric: Starkiller base is A) a reference/lazy name recycling of the main character from the super fun Force Unleashed duology, and B) the end result of the planet Ilum from Fallen Order. The planet where Cal gets his lightsaber crystal that was being mined to fuel the Death Star laser was later just turned into a giant Death Star itself.
I don't think this movie is that bad but there is a few parts that I hate. A lot better then the next two.
As a pretty hard-core star wars fan I think this trilogy like the prequels gets an unfair amount of hate. There's valid criticisms, but there's also the joke that "no one hates star wars more than star wars fans"
Overall I'm happy to spend time in the world of Star Wars, and the more stories that I get to see in a galaxy far far away, the better. I think it's become a bit of an unfair metric that every movie needs to be amazing, when i want to revisit the ogs I watch them, I don't need each additional trilogy to recreate it, so I'm very in support of treading new ground, telling different narratives and exploring the world. On a meta level it seems like the balancing act of making old fans happy while trying to tell new stories has been the largest obstacle to the franchise.
I'm excited to see you guys continue your star wars journey. I'd personally like to see Darth Bane make it to the big screen but I don't see that happening
It may not be instant, but there is bread in a can. Maybe a future podcast idea? Trying different canned foods? Just a thought.
i love how the thing that ruff is wanting is literally the acolyte
Ah so it's time for these is it? Hoo boy. I'm sure the three of you will get a kick out of them, which at the end of the day is all that matters. Looking back, there was so much hype for Star Wars to return but it turned into only a harbinger of mediocrity. Force Awakens was well received, though lots of the flaws were at first waved away as it was the first attempt to make Star Wars without Lucas, only for Last Jedi to split everyone right down the middle. And I remember being a supporter of that movie, but subsequent viewings have really made me not enjoy it. The Luke and Rei stuff is really the only parts I like out of that movie and even then not by much. Rise of Skywalker was just a mess, a fun mess, but still a mess. All in all, I'd say Force Awakens is the only good one to return to, but I'll still take the original books over any of the Disney movies.
Same here, after TROS I started reading the legends books because I kept hearing how they were better, sure not all are complete masterpieces but still good reads. Nowadays I consider those books as my sequels. I’ve learned to combine canon and legends to make what I consider to be the perfect Star Wars story
tbh out of all the star wars stuff, im most hyped for yall to see the mandalorian & andor
One thing I will see about this movie since most everyone has something covered. In my opinion while the original trilogy had the best second movie of all the trilogies and the prequel trilogy had the best third movie if all the trilogies, the sequel trilogy had the best first movie of all the trilogies. The spinoffs are their own separate category but watching in release order is the best for the movies and later tv shows.
The reason George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney was because he wanted to retire after the prequels. That's it. After the vitriolic hate the prequels recieved, he had no more passion to make any more movies.
“You go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized,” is straight up what he said when asked why he stepped away from Star Wars at the time. So it's not like Disney isn't allowing him to get involved, he actively chooses to distance himself from it. Even then, he's shown up on set many times for various movies and TV shows (he even directed a specific scene in the Solo movie!), and he does help out by answering questions, giving advice, as well as his blessings for any decisions.
What's good though is that Dave Filoni, the person who made The Clone Wars shows (and directed an episode or two of ATLA), worked directly with George Lucas, and could be considered his protege in a sense. He's still working on Star Wars to this day, and is pretty high up on the totem pole. I think he was recently promoted to Chief Creative Officer of the franchise or something, and he's also writing and/or directing a Star Wars movie as well. There's actually a couple of movies that have been recently announced that we know is on the way.
As far as the books and stuff be canon, when Disney bought Star Wars, everything before the purchase except the first 6 movies and The Clone Wars (basically whatever George directly worked on) was decanonized, and everything produced afterwards, from movies to shows to comics to books to games and so on, are considered canon. Personally, I think the new Canon has been pretty good. It's a lot easier to get into, and the quality is a lot more consistent. Although Legends (which is what the old canon is officially called) had some banger stories, and some arcs pretty much stopped in their tracks, never to be continued again, so I can understand why people were, and still are, upset about it. Luckily, they've been slowly introducing the best parts of Legends into the new Canon, even in the shows, so I'm pretty happy honestly.
I fully admit I was one of those vitrolic Prequel haters. Though I tried to avoid talking too much about the actors I did go after George a bit. with the whole Ruined my childhood thing. And while I don't think I'll ever like the Prequel Films. I acknowledge that I was overblown not in my dislike for them but how I reacted to them and the people who made them.
It's why I have patience for the Sequel trilogy hating nutjobs. They'll grow out of it and grow up like I did.
I'll never forget the hype I felt back in high school when Episode 7 was announced. I was so excited for Star Wars to be back and for a modern take on it after the Prequels. I can't wait to see your reactions to the rest of the trilogy and hear your thoughts. I still really think this movie is great! It really feels like Star Wars.
I loved this trilogy, flaws and all!
Always interesting to see someone fresh to the franchise watch these Disney movies. Honestly I think TFA and TLJ are fine movies, it's the third one that kinda ruins the trilogy for me. It was such a backpedaling mess, but that's my opinion. I'm curious to see how you all will react when you eventually get there. Just please, make sure you watch Rogue One (and Andor) at some point. Those are the absolute best thing to come out of Disney Star Wars
The sequel movies aren’t bad movies, they’re just bad additions to what’s already there
DON'T READ FURTHER UNLESS YOU HAVE FINISHED THE TRILOGY OR ARE UNCONCERNED ABOUT SPOILERS!!!!!!!
Especially 8. Cinematically and pace wise, it was a solid space epic. But as a sequel meant to undo some of the plot points of its predecessor, followed by 9, which in turn ignored most of 8, there felt like no point. I think that either director could have made a much better trilogy if they'd been given the full trilogy to work direct by themselves, or at least had talked at least once for fifteen minutes about how they wanted the trilogy to go. By the time you finish 9, the whole trilogy felt like a "nuh-uh! yeah-huh!" between two directors with vastly different styles and visions. I don't hate it for the 4chan reasons(female lead who is suddenly very strong for no reason, a focus on POC characters in 8 like Rose), though I am disappointed that the entire trilogy started off as a remix of A New Hope, and that Abrams tied his movies down so close to the original trilogy that it just retroactively cheapened the original movies by negating those characters' impact on the world. Also the decision to make Luke, who famously showed mercy to his genocidal father on the suspicion that he still had a hint of good in him, would-after successfully redeeming said father- somehow become a man who was prepared to kill his innocent nephew because "I had a bad dream". I actually don't mind Rey (though I admit she's deeply flawed as a byproduct of the same inconsistent writing found throughout the trilogy), and wouldn't mind a new trilogy that would give her the opportunity to actually have to struggle with something (similar to Anakin, it would be a great character building device to take an OP character and make them a mentor who doesn't know how to properly teach). I just want new properties to actually EXPAND on the universe instead of pigeon-holing themselves into the same 80 year span between episode 3 and episode 7. Why can't we have a distant (100+ years) future? Or the birth of the Jedi? Or Sith? I'd personally love to see a game of thrones-esque Sith anthology starting with someone like King Adas, and working through some of the characters like Ajunta Pal, Nagga Saddow, Exar Kun, Valkoran, Revan, Malgus and Bane. Or a series following the first Jedi schism, or their founding as a whole. Or even the Rakatan empire and their force hounds. There's so much lore they could expand on that doesn't get locked into a limiting box of "but Stormtroopers and Darth Sidious".
At least that’s my opinion
To explain Starkiller Base, it’s actually draining the solar and dark energy from the star while using the kyber crystals in the planet to fire a laser through hyperspace to destroy multiple planets at the same time
DO NOT WATCH SOLO UNTIL AFTER CLONE WARS. THERE IS A SPOILER.
These movies are terrible and newer fans like them more than older fans due to older fans having the EU with decades of life and stories and Disney scrapped it all and said in public interviews they had no source material to make new movies right after burning all the books and games lore like Luke with his wife and jedi order and many other stories.
I actually got into the EU after the sequels messed things up so I didn’t have those EU expectations when I first saw the sequels. And it’s too easy for me to consider those legends books as my sequels. For starters, they do right by the OT characters, giving them better storylines, characterizations, and successful lives, rather than regressing or complete character assassinations.
Also the reason Rey is so powerful is because she is a woman. I'm not being sexist here Disney wanted her to be an ultra Mary sue character going so far to say the force is female. It wasn't a problem in this movie but it becomes an issue as the movies go on.
Dont wanna get into a whole thing, but just for the record in case you honestly dont know, that whole "The Force is Female" thing came purely cause of a photo of KK with some other girls wearing shirts that said that, and the context for the photo was she was at a NIKE event for their shoes and that was the slogan NIKE was using to promote the event. It had nothing to do with Star Wars or Disney funny enough. People just saw KK and ran with it
Oh boy here we go the absolute destruction of Star Wars starts with this one and just hasn’t stopped
Nobody cares.
Oh boy here we go with false BS because a bunch of man babies don't like a certain movie.
this movie wasnt as bad but its the next two that really blew the hole in the ship i dont hate the actors cause they were just doing what they were given its more the writing look prequels had some really really bad writing in a lot of cases but it still felt like it was telling a story with it this did not
They ruin established lore, ruin established characters and have no cohesive story that doesn't make sense. They aren't man babies they are just not good star wars movies and this is coming from someone who likes alot of what Disney made like mandolorian, bad batch, Kenobi and visions these movies are not not good.
The complete bs is the line “starts with this one and just hasn’t stopped.” Man babies are ignoring all the good Disney Star Wars because of one movie.
believe me ill give credit wheres it due but so for stuff like clone wars s7 bad batch rogue one tales of the jedi but this one was okay and the last two were oh boy
Here's the issue most 'haters' have with this trilogy: Disney bought the franchise that ALREADY had the perfect and extensive sequel novel EU series written over the course of roughly 20ish years and then said FUCK YOU we want to just recycle old storylines and vaguely paint over them to make the 'fresh'.
So yeah, these movies are aren't terrible because they are more or less the same movies as the first trilogy sprinkled with the prequels and a smidge of Clone Wars. But you can try to pry the EU from my cold lifeless hands all you want, no one will ever take them from me. Not even the mouse. 💀
That’s not the case with most/some fans, my relatives and I have been hardcore Star Wars fans since forever, we never got into the EU and we still hate the sequels with a passion, heck one of my uncles did like the sequels at one point, time went by and then he became a hater. Our problems with them is that it has the same overall plot as the original trilogy, wasted character potential, so many plot inconsistencies, a serious disservice to the OT characters, and don’t even get me started on the big bad reveal of episode 9.
Despite not liking the new trilogy I always enjoyed this movie. The issue is the upcoming ones because each movie in this trilogy has a different director with their own vision so theres little consistency in terms of plot threads/ideas
The sad thing is it doesn’t even seem like a trilogy, they seems like individual movies telling three different stories. Heck the trilogy doesn’t even feel like a continuation of the Star Wars story, sometimes it seems like a bad fanfic
Rougue One is so good!
LETS GOOOOOO!
as someone who likes these movies more every rewatch im excited to see you go through them. Love them or hate them as long as you're not toxic about it its a-okay with me. People on both sides are often way to horrible to each other.
The first movie of the sequels isn't bad despite its problems. However, I believe the sequel trilogy did the opposite of the prequel trilogy by aging like milk instead of wine.
Disney Star Wars survives off cameos and nostalgia alone.
I have to admit I have only ever seen Star Wars episodes 1-3 and 7+, I never could get myself to watch the original trilogy.
This one was honestly not bad for the first movie but the next two are not it
Episodes VII and VIII are enjoyable to a certain extent, but you realize that they are point-to-point copies of the original scripts, for example IV and VII: the captured rebel, the droid with important information, the teenager in the desert, the smuggler, the space station destroys planets. episode IX is already a pointless nonsense
Yeah I have to agree, it’s sad that the entire sequel trilogy is basically a recycle version of the original trilogy. Sure not everything is exactly the same but there are definitely too many similarities
Why are you even here then? why do you care about their reaction to this movie? You want to see them hating on it/them?
I love this trilogy of movies a lot.
I actually remember standing in line when this premiered.
As someone who really did not like these movies for what they do, I am super hyped to see you guys watch them.
For real! Let the haters be haters.
^ lol sorry, used my phone to make a comment and it replied to you instead of just being a normal post lmao
I genuinely still love this movie, it hold up so well and is by far the most enjoyable to me of the 3 sequels. I really don't like the next two, but I am so pumped to see you guys form your own opinions. I just hope you don't get too entangled with either side of the views people have for these films, both sides are toxic regardless of positive or negative reviews
I hope you guys don’t buy into the haters because these are not bad movies. Everyone loved this movie when they first saw it and then changed their minds like a year later.
I'm sorry but that glorifies what happened. People loved this movie for its potential on who is snoke? The knights of ren? What's Luke doing? All of this has people hyped but after the next 2 movies all the interesting plot points that were set up either flopped or has terrible outcomes as so people's opinions of the first movie soured.
I think this movie is amazing and it holds up very well! However, the next two movies have a horrible reputation due to the handling of the characters and lack of a plan (needing to change things last minute or go back on decisions made in previous films). Hatred is different than disliking something so I can't be mad at those for not liking the lack of coherent storytelling and accuracy to the og characters. Just my view
Same here, I haven’t seen a sequel movie since TROS was in theaters. Heck every time I have a Star Wars marathon I always stop at episode six or three depending on the order. I just don’t have it in my to put myself through the sequels again. Too much stuff about those movies put me in a bad mood and it’s only gotten worse since I started reading the legends books
This is sadly true. I still enjoy them tho. (Crazy, I know)
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