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I guess we can tell you now, that Ironwood is meant to be "The Tin Man who lost his humanity", all of those in Ozpin's circle are based on the Wizard of Oz.
the ACE OPs are Atlas' special forces in terms of the "its rushed comment"....to put it in realistic terms would you honestly expect the Rangers or Marines to just betray their country after years of service for a small gang of kids from France or whatever?
God the RWBY vs Ace Ops fight is awesome.
One of the best in the series.
Not sure if anyone pointed it out to you, but like all of the Ace Ops, Clover was based on an Aesop fable: The Kingfisher. The moral of which perfectly describes his character's fate.
‘Tis many a wise man’s hap, while he is providing against one danger to fall into another: and for his very providence to turn to his destruction.
The way that each of the Ace Ops were defeated as well matches their fables stories. Marrow tried using his power on both Weiss and the Knight, the dog and his reflection with the bone wanting both. Vine and Elm didn't work together, resulting in their loss. And Harriet went against Ruby out of competitive drive when she would of been better against anyone else, thus losing the same way the cocky rabbit did.
The Qrow and clover fight really shows Tyrian’s intelligence. It’s easy to think he’s just a dumb maniac but he’s a sociopath and, like many sociopaths, he’s great at reading and manipulating people.
He instantly pegs Clover’s instance on arresting Qrow as the crack that’ll bring him home free, as it were, and, as such, uses Qrow’s want to take him down against the both of them.
Notice how he never attacks Qrow so the annoyance at Clover’s interference will build quicker and makes sure Qrow stays in the forefront as much as possible.
Clover, for his part, seems to notice the plan near the end. That Tyrian is playing them both, trying to weaken them so they’ll be easier to take out and escape from, but, by that point, it’s too late and someone has to die. Hence his “someone had to take the fall”.
starting to remind anyone of season 3 yet? Now comes the new catch phrase for a while; "But wait! It gets worse!"
My only issue with the Clover Qrow Tyrian fight is the last punch Qrow threw, cause that was when Clover had Tyrian relatively 'under control' (tied up in his fishin line). It was Qrow's punch that allowed the line to go slack and for Tyrian to get away. Funnily enough, it was two unfortunate things happening in succession that caused Clover's death. Qrow's punch (which broke his aura), and Clover's aura breaking (which ended his passive good luck). Also, you could count the tunnel vision Qrow and Clover had for each other in that moment as well, since Qrow didn't notice Tyrian get out of his bonds, run to pick up Qrow's weapon, and then run back to hide behind Clover, but that could also be explained by anime physics lol
You can see Tyrian looked unconscious when the fight resumed so that explains why no one noticed him get out of his bonds.
As for the stab, remember Tyrian is extremely fast so it’s anime speed that’s to blame there.
I can enjoy the final bit of the Clover Qrow Tyrian fight though, since it's given me a little bit more to think about now! I remember a thing lil Ruby said wayy back in V1 "[Weapons] are so cool! They're a extension of our souls (or selves? i can't fully recall), a part of us!" So Qrow disregarding his weapon COULD be symbolizing throwing a part of himself away to continue the fight with his fists. Tyrian picking up Qrow's weapon is Qrow playing into what Tyrian wanted. And Clover getting killed by Qrow's weapon by Tyrian is the entire fight itself. An unwilling betrayal. :)
fun fact: if you let the menu for the Volume 3 Blue ray Idle eventually the music will have a sinister tone wile showing this battlefield amoung the diffrent arenas in the Amity Colliseum meaning that this was forshadowed as far back as the Blu Ray menues for Volume 3
I only realized this very recently myself as I was talking to my nephew after showing them Volume three and eventually the music change caught our attention and I noticed the Arena and I'm like "Wow- they really forshadowed that this far in advance huh?" and they just look at me like "Wait... after all there is there serriously another tournament arc???"
Next episode is my personal favorite episode of RWBY ever. Can't wait to watch you guys react!
As i will always say James will always be one of my fav characters in this entire show (:
I’m not sure how far in advance you guys watch the episodes, so I thought I’d share a fun fact before the finale. The entirety of next season, Volume 8, happens within a timespan of 48 hours. Strap in Billys for the longest two days of Team RWBY’s lives so far.
I'm glad you guys understood why the characters acted like they did. Sure it was a sucky situation that could have been avoided, but it fits in how the characters think. This whole season all the ace ops have basically said you don't question orders. You just follow them. All except Marrow, which makes since since he's the youngest one. He isn't as 'yes manny' as all the others. Even Elm said the 'you don't need to understand order, just follow them' in episode 11. Because to them, and Ironwood, it's all about loyalty. Blind faith in your leader. Clover was the same way. He will prioritize orders over everything else.
The other thing is that Clover is incredibly cocky, which makes since. His semblance is good luck. Things just work out well for him. He most likely thought he could take Tyrian down himself after he arrested Qrow. While Qrow knows better, and is used to having the odds against him. He has a more survival mindset.
As Raptor mentioned, Caleb Hyles is the singer for the song playing during the Watts/Ironwood fight. He's a YouTube singer who mostly makes covers, and back in the day made quite a few covers of RWBY songs, also managing to get Casey Lee WIlliams (singer for most RWBY songs) in one or two of them. So he was quite known in the RWBY community iirc, and it eventually lead to him getting to sing "Hero" (the fight song). You have NO idea how EXCITED I was to learn that! When that episode came out, I was so happy for him.
Really!? I didn't know that was Caleb Hyles until right now! That's cool!
So this is something the creators said from the moment the maidens were introduced. Team rwby will never get maiden powers. I'm not sure why they made that announcement but eh. It's knowledge that they put out there.
One thing I'll say, is that a lot of people criticize RWBY, especially Ruby, of lying to Ironwood about the lamp and Salem, about them being hypocrites. However, one thing I think is important, is that Ruby never actually was overly mad about Ozpin, it was Yang, Weiss, Qrow, and Blake who were mad. Ruby immediately prioritized the "plan" and getting the Lamp to Atlas, remaining focused while the others lost to the Apathy and emotions. In many ways, I think it shows that she wasn't necessarily mad that Ozpin hid things, but that he didn't have a plan.
Now, without Oz, she's trying to do "what she thinks is right" and whether "it makes me no different from Oz." And Qrow is also right, she is trying to make sure she can truly trust people before telling the truth, like how Oz was (even though I think its clear by the time we meet him, he never truly trusted anyone anymore, after too many "Lionhearts").
Ahhh even years later Clover's death still makes me so angry. Clover not prioritizing arresting the literal serial killer over arresting Qrow makes no sense. Teaming up with Tyrian wasn't a good move on Qrow's part, but if he hadn't it would have been a lost battle for him anyway because he'd still be fighting a 2v1, and I doubt that Clover would have been able to take down Tyrian by himself after they took out Qrow.
I adored his and Qrow's relationship. If you listen to the song Bad Luck Charm (which plays during the Tyrian vs Qrow fight in V$), you know that Qrow's self-esteem is through the fucking floor due to his semblance. It was so nice to see him have a connection with someone, Ruby and Oz not counting since it's family/power imbalance. Clover telling him to not beat himself up over his Semblance, the scene in the car when Clover calls him out for his self-deprecating, watching them form a genuine relationship, seeing Qrow legitimately happy for the first time in the series.
Aaand it's stripped away from him. Poor guy can't catch a break.
I first came across your guys channel while looking to find a way to watch Rwby. It was just after Roosterteeth shut down and I rewatched Red vs Blue and I had always been curious about Rwby and finally wanted to give it a try. But I soon realized I couldn't find it anywhere! But then I came across your guys reaction to the first season and I've been watching you all ever since. I'm so glad you guys actually enjoy the series and don't hate on it like every other person I've come across on YouTube. It's such a breath of fresh air! I recently just finished the series and I'm so excited to see you alls reaction to everything! Keep up the great work!
A lot of people complain a TON about the Qrow, Clover, Tyrian fight, so you’re not alone there. The thought process is that Tyrians aura was basically depleted when he was captured so Qrow is the higher priority to capture on Clovers list.
But if you pay close attention Qrow and Tyrian don’t actually “team up” against Clover. Qrow figures he needs to disarm Clover if he hopes to get to Tyrian since Clover is determined to get Qrow first, and while Tyrian is shown to occasionally “help” Qrow during the fight, Qrow still takes every opportunity to throw a punch Tyrians way when he can.
The Idiot Ball got plenty of time being passed around this episode, from Clover and Robyn being willing to start shit while in-flight, to Clover prioritizing the person with the higher aura level over the person who would actually be willing to kill him.
this exactly. Clover was prioritizing orders, Qrow was prioritizing the direct threat. Classic Chaotic Good vs Lawful Good fight.
I don't see clover as Lawful good but as Lawful Stupid, Clover had orders to capture Qrow and Tyrian, just because Tyrian escaped didn't negate the order to capture him (unless he would need new orders and therefore stupid) but at every opportunity went after Qrow over Tyrian.
Qrow clearly wanted to take out Tyrian first. But Clover wasn't willing to work with him. Unfortunately, Tyrian was.
The lyrics for the song during Ironwood vs Watts goes HARD. It, and by extension Ironwood, is the epitome of chaotic good.
Also, yes, that's Vegeta.
The singer in the song for the Ironwood/Watts fight is Caleb Hyles, best known for making YouTube covers.
by the way Ironwood's semblances was explained outside of the series its called Mettle
As a passive Semblance, Mettle was only ever present in the background, essentially acting as the uncompromising aspect of Ironwood's personality. It emboldened him to act swiftly and helped lessen the psychological burden of difficult decisions.
I posted that last week too, was hoping they’d see it but I guess not.