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When Ozpin asked Jinn his 3 Questions he asked “How do I Defeat Salem?” To which Jinn responded “YOU can’t” which really only means that specifically Oz can’t defeat her but someone else can
This just reminded me how much I love this sequence of episodes. I really think volume 6-7 has some of the best stuff in the entire show.
Agreed! 6-7 are great episodes! Can't wait for their reaction!
Oz still isn't bad he still helped people, they treat him much more morally grey then he is.
In this situation I don’t entirely blame Ozpin for all this, he was put into this situation and he has tried to stop her so many times and hasn’t given up on that. I get the anger of the team for all this stuff being revealed but it made complete sense for Oz to hide stuff for the fact of experience he has over his lives.
What they could also blow-up remnant because they also say as long as the planet spins, she will walk its face. Another thing they can do is also seal her in a vault. For example, since only raven can access the spring maiden vault, they can just lock her in there.
Don't get me wrong. I do Love RWBY. There is alot wrong with the plot but I do love it. But after listening to their analysis at the end. They give this show way more credit then it has lmao
I understand the group's anger towards Ozpin. He kept SOOOO MUCH from them. But the way they kept acting towards him...like do they not consider they just made this man relive probably the worst trauma anyone can endure?
Idk on rewatch it always never sits right with me how they treat him. But from their side I will say, to learn you're fighting a war you have no chance of winning I DO also understand their anger.
It's bad all around.
Salem: Bring him back!Light: No.Darkness: I brought him back.Light: No.Salem: You’ll pay for not bringing him back.Light: No.…..Light: I just had a great idea!
It was awesome to see the Big Lore episode drop in real time. I remember checking the time bar to see if a cliffhanger was imminent multiple times. Salem and Oz fit some of my most favorite character types in fiction (tyrant bent on their own self-destruction and tragic hero bare-knuckling their way through a seemingly impossible task). I can't wait to see y'all's reaction to the next set. :)
One of my favorite episodes.
Just one note: The kids weren't the original maidens. I know it's a bit confusing (plenty of people have thought so too when that part came up), but don't forget what Oz told them last volume: he found four young women and distributed most of his power between them, watch the World of Remnant episode titled "The Four Maidens" for the full story (and please watch the other WoR shorts as well, they're canon and short and very useful in understanding the world, and you're way past any of them being spoilers).
I think if anything it is an homage to them or the 4 sisters reminded him of his 4 daughters and he got the idea to give them magic, though they were different sets of girls.
I believe it's how Ozpin worded his question. He said, "How do I destroy Salem?" If he had said "How can Salem be Destroyed?" he might've gotten a different answer. But who knows.
RIGHT!?
Or there’s a way to defeat her without destroying her; Non-destruction removal if you will.
The Kids arent the maidens. I thought that too when I first watched this, but No. Ozpin meet four women in another life when he was an old man and gave them the power to be maidens
The biggest lesson here is that the gods are way worse than Salem. They act like entitled children
The lesson to be learned here is the Gods are not perfect, but they're not awful either. Humanity is but a speck of sand in a vast ocean of possibilities, and while they would like to see it prosper, they also do not want it to grow arrogant. The stipulations placed upon Salem were fair, she just refused to accept it. I WILL say having Oz reincarnate is harsh, more so for the people he becomes rather than his original soul. The fact he eventually fully takes over is awful, especially taking into account how most of them probably never wanted this life, and how much Oscar hates this situation right now.
The punishment on Salem wasn't fair, the "value" of life and death is completely arbitrary from a human perspective
I respectfully disagree! I feel Salem's choice to reject the God's request to learn about accepting death was where she failed, she had a chance to have the curse removed and join Ozma in the afterlife. But she rejected it. She easily could've either done what was told and "went to therapy", but she didn't want to die to join Ozma (at first). She wanted him to be brought back to life because she was so self centered she thought the God's punished HER SPECIFICALLY by "allowing" Ozma to die of sickness. In turn, since she claimed the God's were punishing her, they in turn made that reality, giving her immortality. She chose her own actions, she knew the consequences of fighting the literal Gods of Life and Death.
So, fun fact:
This episode is the 69th of the series, but it wasn't planned to be that way at all.
women would rather manipulate the gods and turn mankind against them in a war of armageddon than go to therapy
A whole new form of crazy
One of my favorite episodes
Bree looking kind of off today
Ah shit here we go