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Invincible S3 Episode 2 Reaction
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i do think that cecil is right when it comes to mark but i also think that this was the wake up call the guardians needed to realise that yeah they are just weapons for the government (which to cecils credit if i remember correctly he did say at some point in s1) fuck the government in fictional universes too ig
SPOILER WARNING FOR THIS EP im only 15 mins in but i have to say i agreed with cecil up until the secret ear piece its a weird one cause it goes to show that they both had a reason to distrust each other, think im still on cecils side tho Mark is like 18-19 now and yet hes acting like a hypocritic child rn, its really not far on those around him. plus im all for prison reform (except for crimes of a sextual nature or things that involve kids and obv its a case by case thing but that seems to be what cecil is doing) cecil is a very morally gray character imo but he never really tries to make others think other wise.
Mark was 100% in the wrong here, full stop. He showed up uninvited, angrily smashed a desk and told Cecil that he won't leave until he gets what he wants (which is literally assault btw), and kept refusing to leave or talk about it while Cecil attempted to de-escalate. Cecil asked Mark to leave (again) before walking into the white room, and Mark followed Cecil in explicitly against Cecil's will. Mark was threatening Cecil the entire time he was there and he knows it. He even just flat out lied to the Guardians just to try and get them onto his side, and pretended not to know what instigated that situation when retelling it to Debbie and Eve.
And that's all not even considering the MORAL question of their dispute (Cecil is still in the right), and Mark's hypocrisy in both having blood on his hands AND working with Titan.
100% with cecil on the repurposing monsters thing (not that darkwing 2.0 was even a monster) but man did he just escalate the shit out of this situation.
I mean, if someone broke in, held a gun to your head, and repeatedly ignored your attempts to de-escalate, what else can you do but try and defend yourself?
I do actually think Mark was being an idiot here, and a bit of a hypocrite, and I do agree with Cecil on the whole, but Cecil also did an awful job handling this situation
In all honesty both Cecil and Mark handled that situation horribly
It's actually crazy for immortal to call them children while also dating Kate.
Don't forget. Nolan was a hero for 20 years before slaughtering the best heroes on the planet. Cecil's paranoia is justified. He could of tried harder to deescalate with Mark, but I think he was genuinely scared. I've re-watched this episode several times and I can't help but feel like Mark was being unreasonable.
hahaha I love the "are we the baddies" reference
when I watch this episode again it's like that one saying Captain Price said and it makes me understanding Cecil. "We get dirty, and the world stays clean. that's the mission here."
funny how both shapesmith and sonic have racecar beds, plus their both voiced by the same person
I think Mark's crashout was kinda justified, because Mark's whole issue was with the cyborgs and Darkwing but then Cecil starts threatening him, like You're not gonna threaten me and tell me you put a thing in my head to keep me in line and think i'm just going to obey like, i'm not your dog you can control with a shock collar.
And i get why Mark is mad about Sinclair's robots, but the issue wasn't the technology itself, but how it was being used... It reminds me of Poppy Playtime;
"Scientific progress should ALWAYS be to the benefit of humanity. Progress made simply for the sake of progress often winds up hurting us more than it helps"
Very similar to Poppy Playtime actually.... Sinclair acted like he was bettering humanity, but kidnapping and experimenting on human test subjects and turning them into those things wasn't helping anyone but his own ego.
Immortal didn't bail. He was nearly forced to leave to clear his head. Fuck kate tho
I mean, she still would have been of no use on the front lines until her she got her head cleared. Being a superhero is not a job you can do while having any doubts, one second of hesitation can cost people their lives. If she's not there, they will send someone else. If she was there, people would rely on her and any casualties would be her fault for doing the job while not in the right state of mind
Kate is the only one who left without a word. Immortal got put on forced vacation by Cecil because of how badly Kate's "death" affected him
Mark is kind of being a hypocrite here.
Mark is very much the one in the wrong here - he's a young and stupid kid, though Cecil did do a terrible job navigating the conversation, which he should have done better as a full grown adult. But yeah, if we are looking at who is right and who is wrong - Cecil is the correct one.
Yeah he was in the wrong and Cecile did give him several attempts to just go and try and calm down
You can't ask someone to calm down as you do everything in your power to piss him off. Cecil was acting like the woman in the 'get out of my car now' video.
i understand where both sides are coming from
I find it interesting how Cecil said Nolan was too soft on Mark. Imagine if he knew about all the universes where he wasn't, I wonder if he would rethink his methods. I feel like Cecil kind of has a bit of a boomer mentality that you have to be tough on people for the best results and being even a little bit trusting is more dangerous than being controlling. I do agree you need to make tough decisions in a job like that, but he does tend to be way too invasive when it comes to getting his point across. I do really love Cecil as a character though
They have already picked up this show for season 4 and 5 so yeah this isn't getting canceled anytime soon
Honestly I still believe this was all Mark's fault. Mark went to him yelling and smashing his desk saying he wont leave until he gets what he wants, I believe Cecil felt actually threatened. Mark knows damn well the Viltrumites are coming any day know. Cecil is trying to do what he can to prepare for that day and here comes Mark trying to preach ethics while he himself has blood on his hands too (justified blood or not) he is a hypocrite. I feel Cecil is a necessary leader(kind of like Churchill in WW2).
100% it's marks fault. He was unwilling to listen to Cecil at all and continued to make threats. Cecil defends his life and suddenly he's the villain and then Mark foes that bullshit where he tells Cecil he will kill him? This is dumber than all that crap with amber in season 1
As someone who has stewed over this part of the story since 2008, it is 100% on both of them, and to add onto that, they did an amazing job giving more understanding from the other characters that show why both (Mark and Cecil) are right and wrong. This is a universe where you cant be like Superman and Spider-Man, you can hope and strive to be a hero like that but you'll eventually have an accident or learn to work past having to be gray in your morals at certain points.
Cecil is the kind of guy history will say was a great man
I wouldn't say all marks fault, like yes he was in the wrong but he also has personal trauma with what Cecil was doing. And Cecil's response to his anger was to surround himself with the very things that was triggering Marks anger. Yes, Mark was being threatening but Cecil also had premeditated fear that escalated the situation instead of trusting Mark not to attack him in the first place. He shouldn't have lead Mark into that room, he could've kept talking or teleport away and wait for him to cool down. But he didn't. Mark was definitely not thinking rationally and Cecil has a right to defend himself, but how he did it was honestly very stupid. I would say they were both equally in the wrong. They both have opposing beliefs that they went too far to defend and uphold.