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One thing I will say is when this was coming out I watched it with my parents and brother who were really into it, especially my parents who wouldnt usually be bothered by marvel stuff, enjoyed watching it because the opening was really interesting, it had a hook, had us talking about it through the week and it was enough that even when it got more "marvel" by the last couple episodes, they were still into it. which is more than I can say for the other shows (although loki now with season 2 is my favourite of all the marvel shows its closely followed by this and agatha all along)
Trying to rewrite this show as a movie makes zero sense. The only reason it works is because it's week-to-week, changing periods and genres every episode, and leaving space for discussions among the fans.
100% This was a story that's made for a TV series. It would have not have had the impact it did as a movie you consume for 2hrs at all.
"Where did vision fly off to?".. Welcome to the club we've been asking that question since this aired.
as others said, the shows that actually matter are mostly just this, loki, and falcon and winter soldier, that said, I'd at least also watch moon knight and hawkeye, as they are fantastic, even if they are mostly irrelevant at the moment. Mrs. marvel is also fun, if a bit less good, and you could probably skip most of the rest, though if you need content all but secret invasion are fun, just low priorities when you have a packed schedule.
Oh man, the ending of this hurts even more after watching Agatha all along.
The darkhold is huge in marvel comics lore and it had people freaking out when they saw it. I’m
Not going to get too much into it, but they wasted the scarlet witches potential in multiverse of madness, should’ve been this phases baddie
I kinda agree with Boom. I would have prefered that everything jsut staye as a movie. But I also agree with everyone else that the show is better than a movie version of this story and many other shows would have been. Loki would have been a lot worse as a movie
WATCH AGATHA ALL ALONG NEXT!!
I didn't like Thunderbolts! I liked Captain America 4 though.
What the hell is Boom on about? Lmfao.
if you still watching Disney +
do not watch Secret Invasion show
yeah, most of the marvel shows are a good time, secret invasion is not one of them.
in the comic books Billy actually used Wiccan as his hero name while tommy is called Speed
Yea, i have to disagree with Sean. I watched most of the shows as they came out and i had no problem with them being shows. That meant more lore and them going more in depth with what they were trying to do and tell. I get that some may not have had Disney+ and wouldn't be sble to keep up but Sean said he had it and still chose not to watch them and that just sounds like a personal choice. i like the MCU enough to watch it regardless of the medium they were using. And i love the interconnectedness of them.
I not sure if anyone else agrees, but in my opinion you can watch Agatha All Along right after this if you wanted to. It is a standalone show that only connected to Wandavision. It would be a natural progression after watching this, you just wouldn't have to wait as long to watch it.
I guess you should watch multiverse of madness before it but that's it I think.
I don't agree that wandavision could be a movie. but i do believe Falcon and Winter Soldier could be a decent 2.5 hour movie. but I still agree, tv show format is always better when the storyline is complex AND it is short. this was a sweet spot of lenght for this story. but if it had to be 24 episode seasons like the cw DC shows... hell no.
There are already people in the comments going “eh don’t watch the other shows it’s useless and terrible, just watch the ones I like”🤣🤣 I swear ppl aren’t here to see you react, they’re here to see you only enjoy things and not have opinions ever… Anyways, can’t wait to see what yall think of everything coming up, love it or hate it!!
When i first watched this when it first came out, I thought it was okay. But recently i watched it again and i was like the writing in this show is just so good. My rating for this show went up. I Just think Paul and Elizabeth do such a good job as there characters.
This, Loki and Agatha all along are the best shows imo, they are so good
I really loved hawkeye too, went back and read the comic arc they adapted after, it's fantastic.
Btw they are making a show called visionquest it’s going to be out next year and we will learn what happens with white vision
I love the Tannhauser Gate reference near the end.
Words cannot describe how excited I am for you guys to watch multiverse of madness. It's honestly one of the BEST marvel movies made to this day in my opinion
speaking of which...we really need to get them to watch evil dead 2 and army of darkness....
The story continues in the next Doctor Strange movie. You guys can honestly go to watching phase 4 movies and onward after you check out Falcon in Winter Soldier
Why spoil it..?
Spoil what?
Can’t wait for yall to watch multiverse of madness now omg
wandavision, loki and agatha all along are truly the only good shows Marvel did and I feel like the rest don't even matter much to the movies except Falcon and the Winter Solider but I found that show not good at all.
ehh...hard to say really, most are at least still fun, even if the broader narrative arc probably got messed up by the changes to avengers 5, I guess we'll find out next winter.
Depends on what you mean by "matters". All of them matter as character introductions. All of them advance some sort of plot. Really, it all comes down to who you care about.
Off the top of my head, my personal favorites are Loki, WandaVision, Agatha All Along, and Moon Knight. I enjoyed all the others, they weren't the best, but they were good enough to entertain me and I'm glad I watched them (including Secret Invasion, which I consider one of the least interesting, but I still overall found it enjoyable).
"We have said goodbye before, so it stands to reason..."
"We'll say hello again."
This line goes so hard, it got tears out of me the first time I watched it, now it gave me chills instead.
WandaVision out of all of the shows is the one that wouldn't work as a movie. Each episode is paying homage to a different era of TV, ad each episode has a beginning, middle and end. There's obviously an overarching plot but each episode is also self contained, like a TV show. You would have to redo the entire show to turn it into a movie and it wouldn't have been as good.
I 100 percent agree 😎.
Absolutely cannot wait for you guys to watch Agatha All Along.
Wandavision and Agatha All Along both individually and in tandem are imo the best that Marvel studios has ever created, Endgame is cool and all but it doesn't get anywhere near the amount of joy these shows bring me, also just some of the best shows in television history. The writing feels like it has purpose and isn't just a catch grab like they were hear to tell as story; something i find a lot of the MCU to be lacking.
If Marvel had committed to making all of their shows be exclusively 1 season, and marketed the shows as the big next installments of the MCU just like the movies, and then relaxed their production schedule so there's only a couple of movies/shows per year, then the shows probably would have done as well if not better than a lot of their movies.
i love wanda and vision and i'm so happy you guys finished it but i'm so excited for agatha all long
My read of this show was that Wanda is mostly a victim of her powers, and she's mostly not to blame for all the lives she destroyed. The Hex she created seemed to be running mostly off of Wanda's sub-conscious, and Wanda's conscious self was repressing her emotions and situation so deeply that she wasn't really aware of what she was doing. I think she was basically creating a waking dream state for herself, and once she became lucid enough and realized what she had done and how many people it hurt, she stopped it.
I think it's kind of like if you had a dream and suddenly discovered that all the people in your dream were ripped from their real lives and forced to feel your repressed trauma and grief and lose control of their bodies all to keep your dream going. So I don't really think any of this is Wanda's fault. It's an unfortunate side effect her repressed trauma combined with insane power that victimizes everyone. Of course from a utilitarian point of view, you could argue that she has an ethical/moral obligation to kill herself to prevent her power from causing death and destruction, and that her self-preservation despite the risks it poses to those around her makes her immoral. But even in that case, Wanda can't really be at fault for Westview because she wasn't aware that her power was this strong and could do something like this.
While I was writing this comment, I thought of another interpretation that was really interesting. What if the entire time, when Wanda kept denying Vision and anyone who tried to wake her up, she thought that everyone in Westview was created from her head, the way she created Vision and her kids? It would make sense why she got angry at the Sword people saying that she wasn't hurting anyone, and telling them to leave her alone. And in the finale, when she says the people are all at peace, before their spell is broken, maybe she really thinks that because she doesn't realize they're real people.
Also, giving commentary, on how important the series are - for the movies - when you havent watched the series yet......Ruff what? You ok?
I mean, they pulling the same bit they constantly talk about others doing; "They give negative reviews but they just havent watched the show". How can you judge the importance of all the series, without watching them all? Because fact of the matter, as someone who has done so - they arent all important. Id say as few as 25% of them are, if even that.
WandaVision in particular, was specifically built from the ground up, on the idea of a show within a show - with Kevin Feige being a fan of sitcoms. There isnt "just reformat it to a movie" here, as you would have to literally change the story - as the story was built with it being a show in mind - THATS THE GIMMICK.
So, regarding the "second season" question, technically speaking WandaVision is a part of a trilogy of shows. Jac Shaeffer (the producer of both WandaVision and Agatha All Along) planned this since the beginning. Three limited series telling a cohesive story. WandaVision is first, obviously, then Agatha All Along is supposed to continue the story, and the final installment is currently in production. All we know about it is it's casted already, and it's called Vision Quest. I know you guys aren't close to Agatha All Along yet but I think it's so cool that Jac Shaeffer was told Marvel was gonna start making shows and just planned an entire three show installment to tell these stories. But yeah, long ramble cut short, WandaVision, then Agatha All Along continues it, and soon Vision Quest will finish the story.
I mean that’s no true because multiverse of madness in sense is the aftermath to Wandavision
yeah, but she's no longer attached to Vision Quest so idk how that'll turn out
it does make me wonder if another recent show will tie in...you know, the one that did that thing that we all thought wandavision was going to do...maybe that uh...very out of left field ending will tie into vision quest.
I understand Sean thinking that this could have been a movie, but honestly I think this show made sense as a 9 episode series if for no other reason then to have those nice tributes to television history. Whereas the other 6 episode shows they'll come across (with the exception of What If and Moon Knight) will definitely feel like they should have just been movies 🤔.
really hoping y'all get to loki soon, in my personal opinion its better than wandavison, i also highly recommend the daredevil show and moonknight show that are canon to the MCU (but no real urgency for those two since they aren't really relevant right now)
I think the only shows that really need to be watched are WandaVision and Loki. A lot of the other shows are irrelevant overall or just is where you meet characters but they usually get context in the movies they appear in. Though most of the shows are really good.
Man this show was just epic!! <33333333
Yall had apropriate hype for vision v vision, the internet was *angrily* "so we back to phase 1?"
I love how each fraction of this show is an analogy to a stage of grief (1-2 denial, 3-4 anger, 5-6 bargain, 7-8 depression and 9 acceptance).
Never noticed that, nice touch 🤔.
Personally, while I don't think all the shows necessarily succeed in differentiating themselves from movies, I think there are some things that are better suited for shows than movies. In particular, I just want to see more of the MCU heroes actually getting to be superheroes and fighting crime, not just these monumental threats. You get little bits of it sprinkled in, mostly in the beginning of a movie when they're doing setup, but I think an episodic show is more suited for showing the smaller adventures they have fighting the lesser villains and crime on a more regular basis.
I will say the only MCU tv show most people had legitimate problems with was Secret Wars, I don't know if it was in Phase 4 or 5, probably 5 but that show was not good at all. The other shows in my opinion were decent to great. What if is an animated series that is actually having an expansion in one of it's episodes called Marvel Zombies coming this month. Wandavision is definitely a show I don't think they could have made into a movie but there are other shows that definitely could have been movies. Marvel is moving towards not having all the TV shows being required watching to understand the movies, it was a problem when it felt like you couldn't catch up as easily anymore and now you have so much homework afterwards.
She-Hulk was also a show people didn't like. No not because it stars a women but because the writing wasn't good 🤔.
She-Hulk was review bombed before it even came out, people absolutely hated it because women were involved. It was not the deepest story of all time but janky CGI and bad wedding episode aside Tatiana Maslany is fun, the change of tone was refreshing and there was still some heart there. And no incessant need for justifying itself with big lore connections, which seems inescapable in the current Marvel landscape. Sometimes it’s nice just to have a thing, with no extended promises. And Daredevil.
Secret invasion
i think a lot of people who said the shows make the movies confusing never actually watched the movies. The two movies that reference the shows the most are Doc Strange 2 and Ant Man 3 and those movies failed bc they had bad rewrites and rushed CGI, everything else is just cameos and easter eggs. I think a lot of people try to make excuses for why marvel failed but it all comes down to the writing. They decide they are making a show or movie before anyone has written a script yet, so then they have to force a story instead of asking writers to come up with something that inspires them.
I disagree that Dr Strange 2 failed, it did pretty well at the box office and most people liked it ok. I also disagree that Ant Man 3 references the shows the most. It kind of doesn't, if you've seen Loki then it makes seeing a different Kang in there richer, but if not then you can still follow it just fine. I'm surprised how no one mentions how Deadpool and Wolverine is really the film that may require you to have seen at least Loki as well as pre-mcu marvel films to really enjoy it 🤔.
Not sure if you guys noticed, I don't think I heard you guys mention it. But Monica is the daughter of Captain Marvel's pilot friend, hence why "lieutenant trouble" is said a lot during her slight flashbacks. (I fully could have missed you guys noticing that at some point, but if you didn't notice, that's why the Kree came up at the end)
Yeah, I also couldn’t tell if they realized Monica is the little girl from Captain Marvel. But they’ve also replied to comments before saying they don’t acknowledge some things that are obvious, so maybe this was one of those times where they figured it was obvious.
So this wasn't the original ending for the show,the original ending was supposed to have DR Strange with it revealed thst he was the one responsible for those weird commercials,but covid happened and he was stuck in Hawaii,so they had to change the ending.
Wait really? I never knew that, interesting.
i completely forgot about that lol
it also apparently caused a lot of rewrites for DS;MoM, because the two were supposed to be intimately tied together. A lot of the clunkiness of that movie can be traced back to here
I can't wait for y'all to watch Agatha all along. One of my favourite marvel shows
Same, so good
All right yall. I'm hoping we can get to Agatha All Along by Halloween its all i can think about lol
Yeah that ain't happening. You realize how far away they are from that? Multiple other Tv shows and movies. Probably won't be until next year sometime.
Maybe Halloween next year
this made me laugh lol but youre probably right honestly XD
Only if they were to dedicate everyday to MCU content.
Hawkeye for Christmas would also be cool