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Rewatching this movie, the problem is Mary Jane is unbearable. Is Peter full of himself yes, but after having life kick the crap out of him he deserves it. This forced drama of Mary Jane losing her job which she was successful at in the second movie, felt so forced like Sam didn’t know what to with her in this film. Sandman works well as a thug, he could still be sympathetic but he had too much screen time. The villains should’ve just been Harry and Venom and what would worked better introduce Eddie in 2, so the Peter rivalry has already grown.
I think this movie's biggest problem is how much it relies on narrative shortcuts. It disregards everything the previous movies (or even itself) had built in favor of getting the plot where it needs to go.
-All last movie Harry's revenge against Spider-Man was built up but he conveniently gets amnesia early on so we can focus on the other villains
-Peter needs to go on a revenge quest so they just retconned the Sandman being responsible for Uncle Ben's death
-Peter and MJ need to break up so Harry's memory suddenly returns and he forces it rather than just letting it happen naturally
-Harry needs to help Peter and MJ in the end so Bernard just conveniently tells Harry the truth he could have said the whole time (in fairness to this one I can buy Bernard not telling the truth in the last movie to not sully Harry's image of his dad but once he's become the Green Goblin himself and is out trying to kill his best friend, THAT'S when you speak up Bernard)
as much as i like the Sam Raimi trilogy there was a lot wrong with it. I know that you guys have a lot on your plate right now, but Spectacular Spider-Man does a lot well, and it would be a good eventual show to do.
Peter Parker:
1. Tom
2. Tobey
3. Andrew
Spider-Man:
1. Andrew
2. Tom
3. Tobey
Movies:
1. Tobey
2. Tom
3. Andrew
mary jane is complicated in the comics right now shes the current host of venom. She also just broke up with a character named paul (its a whole werid rabbit hole)
what happens in another dimension should STAY in another dimension. Personal take.
that look to camera moment XD
Even though I grew up with this movie, after being spoiled with Tom Hardy, seeing Eric Foreman as skinny Venom hurts me.
Still a very flawed movie but the editors cut of this movie or "Spider-Man 3.1" does cut out a lot of scenes like bererd telling Harry the truth and adds other scenes / replaces scenes with other versions or cuts them out entirley.. its helps the movie a little but still not very much but in that scene specifically harry just picks up a photo of the 3 of them and then cries which I feel like it makes his desicion to help more of his choice for his love for them. Like he said in the beginning he'd give his life for them.
Therapy for the cringe id recommend some Spectacular Spiderman 😂. I was feeling like Sean during the cringe
It’s a lot more common now to discuss getting engaged with your partner before you actually do it. I have several friends who have had similar conversations with their partners because they already know they’re in it for the long-run and the “surprise” is just a matter of when it will become official. But it can avoid awkward or uncomfortable moments because both people know they’re ready for marriage.
1:28:25 oh no Ruff they made MJ SO MUCH WORSE in the comics in recent years. Look up spiderman PAUL and thats all you need to know☠️
Dude you guys NEED to watch venom. I wasnt really a comic dude but venom is the shit!
definitely watch the venom movies !! they are SO good
Their relationship is comic accurate 🤣🤣🤣
After the TASM movies you guys should watch The Spectacular Spider-man.
From my understanding, Raimi only wanted 1 of the villains between Sandman and Venom, but Sony forced them both
Actually he wanted the Vulture instead of Venom.
So originally this wasn't what Raimi was going to make. I can't remember exactly, but there was absolutely Sony involvement that completely changed the direction of the movie. That's why a lot of parts are so baffling, and the inclusion of three antagonists
Raimi wanted either Sandman or Venom and Sony wanted both
If I recall. I remember hearing that Venom wasn't supposed to originally be in this movie but the studio made Raimi put him in it
when you get the chance please watch spectacular spiderman tv series
Right, I love that show
That show did Venom better. Everyone agrees with that.
eddie becoming venom happens differently depending, but in the 90s cartoon had a similar origin to this
Right, I love that show.
This movie is so unserious. I've appreciated corny cheesy movies of the past before like the first two f4 movies but this is just a mess. There's nothing I like in it. Maybe just the memes that came out of it.
I like sandman in this but they really didn't need to add venom at all, MJ sucks lol like she should have called Peter Harry was blackmailing her. Gwen is so much better love interest in the Amazing spiderman
Gwen Stacy was a better partner for Peter in this movie than MJ was.
Peter: makes everything about himself whenever his girlfriend tries to come to him with her problems to the point where she feels she can't confide in him, recreates their kiss with another woman with her right there and doesn't apologize or even seem to realize why that was bad when confronted about it, pushes her away when she tries to be there for him despite how he's been treating her.
Fandom: Cricket noise.
MJ: kisses her ex-boyfriend in a moment of weakness because of how shitty her current relationship is, immediately regrets it.
Fandom: "She is the WORST, I hate her so much."
The double standard is crazy.
Gwen Stacy was better partner for Peter in this movie than MJ was.
That church scene is ripped straight from the comics and the 90s cartoon, that is how Eddie Brock became Venom
I'm glad you guys are mature enough to notice the character of MJ is just a b*tch... not good girlfriend material no matter how some people try to do mental gymnastics to justify it.
And yes, of course what Peter did with the kiss was BAD, but that doesn't change what MJ is.
While I appreciate Sam Raimi has his own unique style, it’s not usually one that I think blends well with the type of superhero movies I enjoy. It’s a very particular brand of camp that works well in something like the Evil Dead movies, but doesn’t work for me here or in a later film that he directed. While I don’t know who could have survived the sloppy Sony meddling, I think a lot of the worst choices in this movie feel like they’re very much Raimi moments. I can’t imagine Sony asked for the dance sequence and finger guns.
A lot of the complaints of this movie would go away if it were just Sandman or just Venom. That was the major thing that Sony forced involvement in
An overcrowded Spider-Man movie can be frustrating, but so much of what I didn’t like about this movie had to do with character, performance, and tone.
Fun fact: Sam Raimi planned for Bruce Campbell to play Mysterio in a future Spider-Man film before they were cancelled by the studio
This movie is controversial. Lots of corporate meddling. Sam Rammi lost creative control. There wasn't going to be a 4th and Sony wasn't planning on doing another Spiderman movie for a while, so they wanted to maximize profits, to they basically threatened him and future projects unless they did whatever studio executives wanted.
BTW, you're gonna wanna watch the first 2 Venom films before Spider-Man: No Way Home, there's a surprise at the end.
very subtle dude
Ooof, haven't watched this since I saw it in theaters. I can't wait to see if I cringe and still hate it lol
This movie is about as bad as I remember wow... but I def am less invested now. I went in so excited for this movie and was so pained by the movie. Now I don't have any of that, plus I get to see y'all cringe and hurt like I did. And it's hilarious. Thank you for the reaction. This is the reaction gold I subscribe for.
Fair enough if you guys didn't like this one it tends to be either liked or disliked with people I've personally always really liked it and thought it was a well done ending to Raimi's trilogy I know that Sony forced Sam Raimi to put Venom in the movie which is why he might seem underdeveloped but in fairness we do get a cool story with Eddie brock I think. Raimi mainly wanted to do Sandman so in a way I'd say you can call the venom request a studio note lol but I don't mind they way they did it personally it's rare for you guys to be really disappointed in movie's I don't get how you liked Jurassic World 3 and 4 for me those movie's were complete shit shows if you ask me but hey all film is subjective.
Because they like seeing cool mutated dinosaurs and those movies delivered that at least and they didn't get too critical and to find flaws in those movies.
If a dinosaur movie is gonna do that needs a good story which those movie's didn't have Imo
So idk if it gets brought up later, but important thing about this movie, Sam Raimi was forced to put in Venom. He went on record saying he didn't want to put him in because he didn't know the character enough, but Sony executives made him due to Venoms popularity. Originally it was just gonna be Sandman and Harry as New Goblin.
Mainly, it was Avi Arad who mainly wouldnt shut up about Venom.
Did they force him to insert a dance sequence?
I don't think that would've been in this if Venom wasn't included, as it is, honestly I think that was just Raimi bein silly. I mean, I laughed at it at least. Lol.
So you dislike this movie but not Jurassic World Rebirth and Dominion that's weird to me lol
Probably because they prefer that franchise. People are gonna be less harsh towards a movie franchise they grew up with then one they didn't.
Hey, everyone has their likes and dislikes in movies alright.
To each their own.
???? The video just came out
I skipped to the end to see what they thought I would delete this comment but not letting me for some reason either way I explained my point better in a different comment
good now where Mark Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man Reaction
Damn bro give them a chance, they just watched this one
00:23:55 you're not actually mad thas he hit the dog, are you?