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to me the movie itself is fine, i love coulson and fury and just about everything. i just dont like brie larson as an actress. not because of what she's said or that she's a woman, i just dont like her acting. every line from her feels fake or forced and i have trouble believing it. and it's not just her, i have that issue a little bit with ruffalo and sometimes brolin too, some actors just dont do it for me every time. not to mention the spoiled basically the main climax in the trailer which made it kinda fall flat in the theater. it's a 5/10, which isnt a bad score but its probably the least rewatchable movie for me.
The “problem” that most people had with this film was that they were fed an out of context quote from Brie Larson by right wing grifters and they used that to fuel their vitriol. Also it didn’t help that in the comics, Carol’s popularity began to dwindle because of the way she was written in Civil War II.
As Ruff said, Brie made a comment during a panel FOR A DIFFERENT MOVIE and said she wants to see more women and people of color and less white guys be movie critics especially when it’s a film a white guy can’t relate to.
I fucking loved this movie.
Also also, a lot of people like to harp on Brie’s acting saying she was “stiff” and “emotionless” like YOU IDIOTS THAT’S THE ENTIRE POINT OF HER CHARACTER SHE WAS TRAINED AND MANIPULATED BY THE KREE TO BE AN EMOTIONLESS KILLING MACHINE
Agents of shield is good watch if you haven’t seen it already. Lots of agent coulson.
There are valid criticisms about the movie like beat points of the plot being off or all over the place, the lighting etc. BUT most of the hate was because people did not like seeing a cocky OP female superhero that doesn't have their femininity as part of their allure. Brie Larson being the embodiment of cocky confident female during interviews didn't help with being "appealing" at that time either. Lots of fans also hyper analyzed interviews with her and the cast and just dissected it with the conclusion that the rest of the cast hates her or is uncomfy with her cus she was "annoying". She was very pro feminism unapologetically as well so you can just imagine where the stupid hate came from. Arguably, it being released in between infinity war and end game helped it a lot in box office.
So glad you guys enjoyed it, I remember enjoying it when i saw it years ago.
Man i'm loving the MCU watch y'all should also watch THE BOYS!!!! It's a gritty dark superhero show with some light humor it would be perfect for yall and the channel if you havent watched it already its a masterpiece in its class
One of the number one reason I know people disliked this move was how they suddenly made her the "Strongest character" out of nowhere, like during an interview months before it even came out. Like. stronger than Thor who we just saw take the full brunt of a dwarf star, or Wanda who was ragdolling half of the avengers almost single handedly in the Airport Battle, incapacitated Thor, Steve, Nat, and Banner in quick succession in AoU, ripped out Ultron's vibranium heart through his vibranium body, and can disable Vision. Or, you know, Vision's super strength, mindstone, intanginbility, etc etc. Or Doctor Strange. But nope, they just said even before movie came out that she was the strongest, and then she was just... meh. Like, the peak of what she did in this movie was not even close to comparable to Thor in IF.
Or also the fact that in Marvel, at the time, in the comics, Captain Marvel was just not powerful. During the Civil War 2 comic line, she arrested Spider Man (believe it was the Miles version to) because of a crime that a mutant child saw in the future, and Carol takes it as an absolute certainty, and this ends up leading to a war that kills a lot of the heroes. So she wasn't popular there either, so her coming in, after IF and a lot of people died, and then they go "Oh yeah, this character who hasn't been well liked for a few years, yeah, she's stronger than all of your favorites, and even their villains, and she is going to save the day" and yeah, the movie got hated on.
And don't get me wrong, this is a good movie. It's a decent Phase One movie. Phase one ended in 2012, and it shouldn't be a decent movie in comparison to others 7 years ago
Just to clarify No heroes die during Civil War 2. The closest is Rhodey being killed by Thanos at the start of the story but coming back later. No one else died. And in Civil War 2 Everyone was an asshole. Tony was commiting war crimes and torturing the kid who was getting the future visions. So everyone was an asshole in the story.
Sorry, you are correct. I got Civil War One casualties and Civil War Two casualties conflated, its been a few years. However, there were at least two confirmed popular heroes killed, those being Bruce Banner Hulk (killed by Hawkeye at the time even though it later got retconned and he ended up coming back), and Rhodey died (killed by Thanos until later retcon), Jenn Walters was in a coma, amd Tony dies (until he is cloned). So yeah, heroes do die. And Tony isn't great either in that story line. But Carol 100% was the one more at fault. She arrested Spider-Man for a crime he hadn't even committed yet, or been close to committing, because some kid with mutant powers, and it was revealed later they weren't even 100% accurate either, just a possible future, told her what Spider-Man *might* do.
Just wanna say yes, please please please do True Lies and Hook!
True lies!! Jamie Lee Curtis!!
Lemme just say I appreciate y'all's chat at the end and I hope to hell and back there's at least one viewer out there listening and has their mind changed about this sort of stuff.
Fun fact, I heard that because Brie Larson is horribly allergic to cats, every scene of Carol and Goose together was really a CG edited cat, with the real Goose actor only being in the scenes without her.
It's a great movie and I love Brie as Carol! When she screamed back at that skrull, I was fully on board from then on.
Personally I’d give the movie a 6.5-7/10 it’s not the worst marvel movie but it’s definitely not the top 10. It just feels so disjointed with everything we’ve already seen. It’s really hard to make a character later in the series but make them in the past. The whole movie my first time watching was just where was she when thanos was out killing half of planets before the stones. She’s been around for like 20+ years before iron man. I know there are probably cannon reasons but that kinda feels like lazy writing.
Sean, as a fellow fat man, I feel ya on the blankie thing
24:29 LMAO
You have to remember at the time captain marval came out a month before alita battle angel had come out which has a similar theme of lost memories. So you have one which is a heart wrenching story that made many cry for her compared to captain marvals meh emotional performance. Don't get me wrong I like it I just think that they missed a huge chunk of emotional stuff that would have helped people connect with her character. Frankly it's just pure action with some interesting twists and turns.
I found CM Meh, like it’s definitely not in top 10 worse marvel movies I just don’t find Captain Marvel as interesting character, Nick Fury was ok , I think if this movie came out before Infinity War it wouldn’t have made so much money cause the same reason with Antman and the wasp it made a lot of money coming off the hype of Infinity War and a lot were going to see the film to see how it connects to endgame, so it was bit of a bumpy road in between IW and Endgame.
Woah, i didn't know McKenna Grace was in this (young Carol), she's about to play Maysilee Donner in the new Hunger Games movie and a character in the Scream 7 movie. Been a fan since the Haunting of Hill House, she's just an outstanding actress, especially considering she's so young.
I really hope people stop sharing misinformation online that other Marvel cast members disliked working with Brie Larson when that's not true at all nor that she*s a bad person. Certain fans online that hated her made that up and even started doing "body language" analysis videos to support their insane theories saying Don Cheadle and/or Chris Hemsworth hated her bcs of dry humor jokes during interviews. Don Cheadle even came out and said that the rumors that he disliked Brie are false but everyone who kept saying that ignored it and further spread it. It’s ridiculous . And everyone else on the Endgame press tour was very friendly with her. It’s insane what things some people are spreading just because they hate her for her comments which aren’t bad at all. She made a speech at an industry event saying not all movies are geared towards white man and white critics around 2018 or 2017 and she also said in an interview that society expects women always to always smile and be pleasant and calls them bad words otherwise. I fail to see what*s so bad about that as a woman and I certainly agree and itcertainly doesn*t warrant thousands of people still hating on her to this day. Sorry to get so heated in the comments but I was reading some comments below and it was just bothering me to see misinformation spread
This was the start of people saying that the Marvel cast hated Brie Larson because of jokes, and nobody understanding dry humor.
So here's the deal about the Fury eye thing:
In The Avengers when Coulson Died Fury Said "I lost my one good eye" and in The Winter Soldier Fury said "Last Time I trusted someone I lost an eye" so this line wasn't about the Flerkin taking his eye but was instead about how he trusted Trusted Coulson and his death in the Avengers the equivalent of loosing an eye...
idk he said in this movie "i trust you not to eat me" to goose and then he took his eye so theres some symbolism to what your saying but i think on a surface level that was the throwback to that last time i trusted someone line
my friends are out of town so i cant watch movies with them sadge
in the comics the skrulls as a people are mostly bad guys, the twist in this movie was that they are good and for comic fans that was fun to get surprised, cuz that's the type of thing real comics do all the time
ENDGAME NEXT WEEK!
to be fair from the first second they show that she is on the world with the big evil guys and everyone is supposed to know its all a big lie xD
they tell you "CAPITAL OF THE KREE" and we know Ronan as the super villain from the guardians movie and know the kree are a big bunch of poo poo people xD
Personally, I just found it to be a rather boring movie. I wasn't all that interested in Carol's story line and it feels a bit forced introducing her right between the two finale movies of the MCU. Also really didn't like that this is the "reveal" of how Fury's eye got damaged. They made it sound so badass in Winter Soldier only for it to be... a cat. It's just lame.
I've heard a lot of people have similar complaints with Carol in the comics ever since she became Captain Marvel. I've learned she was quite well loved when she was Miss Marvel, but ever since taking the Captain's mantle, it's been a lot of rough patches with many different comic cancellations over the years due to low interest. I remember seeing her in Earth's Mightiest Heroes and she was a much more interesting and well rounded character there.
Anyways, good for you guys for liking the movie, but for me, this will always be a skip when rewatching the MCU.
Also how they suddenly made her the "Strongest character" out of nowhere. Like. stronger than Thor who we saw take the full brunt of the sun, or Wanda who was ragdolling half of the aveners almost single handedly in the Airport Battle, incapacitated Thor, Steve, Nat, and Banner in quick succession in AoU, ripped out Ultron's vibranium heart through his vibranium body, and can disable Vision. Or, you know, Vision's super strength, mindstone, intanginbility, etc etc. Or Doctor Strange. But nope, they just said even before movie came out that she was the strongest, and then she was just... meh. Like, the peak of what she did in this movie was not even close to comparable to Thor in IF.
for me this is the most underrated marvel movie ... also its not the "wokest" where on earth is it woke ? what does that even mean XD also i think even then the title would go to the eternals
people hate on it i feel cause tehy dont like bree olsen or i dont know ... its top5 marvel movie EASY for me
(yes guys i truly put black panther in worst5 and captain marvel in best5 sue me)
It is totally ok if you love the movie, there's definitely a subjective part to it, as any other form of art. There is also a very good part that is objective... and people have spoken.
For the love of god finish watching transformers
There's a long complicated history behind Marvel Comics obtaining the trademark "Captain Marvel" that goes back to Fawcett Comics creating "Captain Marvel" (who would eventually become DC's Shazam) in 1940 and getting sued by National Comics (who would become DC Comics) for being a Superman ripoff in 1951. After "Atlas Comics" rebranded as "Marvel Comics" they eventually created "Captain Marvel" because the trademark was up for grabs and made bunch of Captain Marvel Comics just to keep the trademark. Carol Danvers wasn't first, or even the second, Captain Marvel. But she is the current and most popular one.
What's Ironic about Marvel Comic's first Captain Marvel is that he had more in common with Superman than Fawcett Comic's Captain Marvel, but he never outsold Superman like Fawcett's Captain Marvel so DC didn't care enough to sue again.
Since when is Cpt Marvel the wokest marcvel movie? I personally would put "The Eternals" on that pedestal.
I feel like superhero movies are mostly as good as the main villain. This one does not really have one and therefore imo lacks in suspense. But other than thats its great.
villains are ALWAYS teh biggest weakness in marvel movies and for me this one is one of the better ones ... its no loki but its far better then the one in black panther or iron man 2 and 3 xD
Killmonger’s easily one of the best ones, imo. That scene where he talks to his dad in the afterlife is one of the best in the MCU too, because it shows how much of him is still a traumatized child, weaponized by the American military apparatus to become a tool of war. And while he genuinely believes he’s liberating people, all he knows is domination, so his ultimate goal unknowingly morphed into just giving imperialism a fresh coat of paint.
"That coulson?"
WATCH AGENTS OF SHIELD!
WATCH AGENTS OF SHIELD! you really missing a ton of story and we need to watch up not to spoiler you for a show you seem to not even wanna watch xD
im pretty sure a few rick and morty writers were working on marvel stuff at this time, i know for sure they were doing loki cuz you can see it a lot there.
yeah; Michael Waldron wrote The Old Man and a Seat then created Loki, Jeff Loveness wrote 8 episodes including The Vat of Acid episode and would later write Quantumania, and Jessica Gao wrote Pickle Rick then created She-Hulk
wait two directors is a sign that its a bad movie? I guess Infinity war and Endgame were bad movies to the critics then
I did watch this and Endgame opening day, both were really good. And I did NOT know anything about the MCU. So it's good to finally have context to stuff now. Can't wait for Endgame!
Me waiting on spider-man 3,endgame and thunderbolts 😭😭.
And if they do marvel television on the side punisher,daredevil,Luke cage and the rest of the defenders
Can't wait got GOTG 3
the two only things that i have issue with this movie is that, "S.H.I.E.L.D." shouldn't be what they call it. "S.H.I.E.L.D.", came to be known as "S.H.I.E.L.D." by the end of Iron Man. Before hand they would just say the whole name. The second issue is, that Fury should have known what the tesseract was. because in Avengers 1, he said that Howard stark found it in the ocean while looking for Captain America. And Capt. Marvel takes place in between Capt. America and Iron Man, timeline speaking. And if Howard would have fished the tesseract out of the ocean. Fury should have known what is was, and should have been wondering why the hell the tesseract was in a space ship. it was in "S.H.I.E.L.D." custody before the events in Capt. Marvel.
And all the bull crap that this movie got. was because it came out near the end of Trumps first term. We all know his views about a certain group of people. So for this to come out when it did, I'm not surprised that those types of reviews were given for this movie. Capt. Marvel is an amazing story, and it f-ing sucks that production was rushed and it got this amount of hate. Just for telling a story that was originally written decades ago.
Im pretty sure the reason Fury doesn't know much about the tesseract here is because he's still relatively low in the shield hierarchy yet. He's not the director of shield yet
Trump had nothing to do with the reaction to this movie. Bree Larson is why people mostly hated on this movie
So one of the reasons why she was hated out the Gate is due too how she is in the comics,she's kinda an asshole and literally started a 2nd civil war cuz she wanted to kill miles (from spiderverse) and the event ended with her putting tony(who was protecting miles) in a coma.. and fans never really forgave the character since then..
"fans" xD some fans dont understand that the happening inside one comic doesnt define a character xD if you define a character by its worst comic they all suck xD
She’s great in this other people will lie about her calling her a shitty person and people saying they didn’t like working with her, just lies Samuel L. Jackson speaks highly of Brie they have worked together a lot
i love her so much in scott pilgrim vs the world and i like you defend her ... but her name is BREE :) brie is a smelly cheese so you rly insult her mate xD
Reggie the Cat [Goose] ended up having a red carpet spot at the premiere of Captain Marvel and was interviewed by entertainment weekly
There were a lot of moving pieces that led to Captain Marvels reception not being great despite the film suceeding. Marvel was making clear at that time they were planning to move the universe more towards a female focus. They actually sold Larson on being a focus point of the universe post end game. But she made some not great comments during press runs + fans not liking some of her acting in the film + feeling she was kinda forced in right between infinity war and endgame and fans were meant to accept her as a main face. It was just a lot.
I saw a lot of reviews around the time this movie came out as I was confused as to why people didnt like it, and some did claim they didnt like her acting, but
the reasoning they arrived at. EVERY. TIME. was her being a woman. "woke". etc.
There was never an actual reason for why.
There were tons of reasons why, he just said them
+ some fans already not liking Captain Marvel as a character in the first place (granted I doubt most actually knew the character beforehand)
She imo also just has low aura. Nah da tho she a cool character and I fw other brie larson in other movies. But, her powers to me are very bland. Maybe it was the way the fights were directed.
45:00 Ken Tanaka, former Coach of the McKinley High Football Team and Basketball Team in Glee.
they review bombed the new marvel show iron heart and it was actually a really good show and one of the top shows marvel has put out just because the lead was a woman and black
i never let reviews blind my enjoyment i watch movies to have fun because i know most reviews are bs and they probably didnt watch the movie
solid mcu film not my fave by any means but still good powers are OP tho up there with wanda
genuinely my only complaint with this movie as a long time marvel fan that watches everything is how they ddi nick fury and his eye like im not that mad haha but i still wish it was cooler lol
I think the main reason this movie got hated on for was more so to do with the actress being kind of a shitty person. Which this movie would of have to of been a masterpiece instead of just simply okay if it was to avoid the bad reputation and reviews.
I'm pretty sure people starting hating on her and trying to make her seem like a "shitty person" BECAUSE they were pissy about this movie.
People don’t understand that she was being sarcastic and having a dry sense of humor doesn’t make her a shitty person
She’s not a shitty person, people just took Brie Larson’s comments about white film critics WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY out of context.
Age of ultron fury scene he's eating toast
From what I remember when this movie came out. Bree Larson was not a loved actress. In a way, rightfully so. Even the other cast members hated or disliked her. There are a lot of fans who thought someone else should've played Captain Marvel.
The second reason most people were mad was how they boosted her abilities. In the comics and the overall lore. Captain Marvel was not as nearly strong as she was in this film. Iron man could 1v1 her and dominate. And this movie was when the push for making the female only marvel verse. Most fans had no problems with strong female characters. Black Widow, Gamora, Mantis, Nebula, Agent Carter. Those were epic women that everyone loved.
The claim that “Brie Larson was not a loved actress” is just not true. She was awarded multiple times for her performance in Room and had plenty of goodwill among people in the industry. She was basically unknown to most MCU fans when she was casted, except maybe fot those who saw her in Community, but since she was the lead in the first Marvel movie led by a woman, she absorbed all of the criticism the movie received and was scrutinized for flaws that people had regularly overlooked in male leads. like her quiet activism compared to Mark Ruffalo, or her seriousness compared to Benedic Cumberbatch. Exacerbated by the fact that the algorithm of the site were people watched interviews, often recommended the most negative content online.
Further, the idea that “even the other cast members hated or disliked her” is simply wrong. The only so-called proof comes from YouTube videos made by some of the most desperate hatemongers online, using clips that are honestly some of embarrassing reaches imaginable.
Also while it’s generally true that most fans have no issue with strong female characters, none of the ones you mentioned were leads in their respective stories. (I’m not counting Agent Carter since it was simply too niche to attract a dedicated anti-fanbase.) The reason Captain Marvel and Brie Larson got more negative attention is because she was a lead. The same thing happened to Jessica Jones, and that was honestly one of the best things the MCU ever produced.
My fav marvel hero and marvel movie
y'all doing ratings and opinions too. Man just wait until phase 4 and 5 lmao
I think one of the major reasons for Marvel's hate is her comic counterpart. She is NOT a good character in the comics, one of them being her directly starting a second Civil War event. This anger transfer over to the movies.
Another reason is...she kinda poorly written in this film. I mean, her last fight with her captain proved she didn't learn anything. He pretty much says 'You think you are more than your powers. Then fight me without them'. And she responds by blasting him with her powers, proving him right. She goes through little to no struggle internally. Think of characters like Tony and Steve. They are more than their powers. But Carol...she's just her powers.
And I say this as someone who loved Carol. My first encounter with her was Earth's Mightiest Heroes (a show you guys SHOULD watch). Her writing in that show is leagues above what the MCU has done with her.
I have to disagree with her final fight with Yon Rogg, she didn't prove him right. She didn't have to prove anything to him. He stole her from her home, gaslighted her about who she really was and what her limits are, and then tried to curry their old dynamic with her. She no longer needs his approval. Also I would say her internal stuggle was finding out everything she thought was true about her life was false, and rediscovering who she is and who she wants to be. If the reconilliation with the truth happened too quick, chalk it up to her family helped get her through the storm
Okay, using Jude Law's words, who is like main villain in this movie, to say she had no growth is weird. Everything she was told in Hala was a lie, he killed her mentor. She could have easily killed him but instead knocked him down. Her growth in this movie was that remembered she was courageous woman before her powers using those powers for good, to help the Skrulls find a home. Yeah, there could be more character development, but for one movie it was pretty decent.
She remembers she was a courageous woman...yet acts the same after finding that out. Such growth!
And you don't just beat the villains by beating them up. You beat them by proving they are wrong. If she wanted to prove the Captain wrong, she should've done it without her powers. Hell, I'd think it would do well for her character if she tried, was about to lose, and had to use it to win. It would show that she has potential growth because it would prove him right, but show that she only used it as a last resort, not first response.
Like she said she dont have to prove anything, her actually fighting him would have done nothing for her character. All it woulda showed is that she become a better fighter which wouldnt make sense bc we dont see her training.
Doesn't have to prove anything...besides the fact that, without those powers she'd be a nothing burger in the MCU. Seriously, I'd have prefer it if she tried to fight fairly, nearly lost, but then had to use her powers, proving him right, but in the correct way thay would feel satisfying.
This a fantastic movie, saw it in theaters. Only thing I remember about brie larson is some of the others in endgame didn't like working with her.
That's not true at all. Fans online who hated her made that up ( even started doing "body language" analysis videos to support that) but it has no merit to it and everyone was very friendly and joking with her during the Endgame press tour
So the thing with the captain marvel hate as others have stated is that she's already not liked in the comics much, add on top of girl boss hate and the characters arrogance results in a not loved movie but I never judge unless I don't enjoy it
captain marvel needs to be a flying tank in rivals
Off the bat, this movie gets way more hate than it deserves. I think besides seismic it was kind of what happened to ant man 2 which is being caught between the two most anticipated Marvel films of all time and that hurt them both quite a lot
*besides sexism