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All right, so for me, I haven't seen this movie since I watched it in theaters. At the time I will admit I didn't really give it a chance, back then I would've given it a 3 out of 10. After watching it with you guys I would say it's a 6.5/7 out of 10. The biggest issue is that this is her(Captain Marvel) origin along with the pagers' origin. (because of the pagers' debut in the avengers infinity war end credit scene) This movie should have taken place at the end of phase 2.
So the movie in this timeslot would could have been her second, The Marvels could be 3rd, to build her character a bit more. Basic idea she gathers a team of space heroes to defeat a villain who works for Thanos. Talos could be a member of her team. Then in the post credit scene her team starts falling a part and the pager goes off.
I think something like that would have made people appreciate and sympathize with her more instead of feeling like she was forced onto us. The reason this is important is because we can see the difference in audience reaction between Captain Marvel and The Marvels. Captain Marvel: willing to give it a shot vs The Marvels: people not caring enough to see it. For reference Captain Marvel(film) made 1,131,416,446 at the box office while The Marvels(film) made 206.136.825. That is less than 20% of the original.
Following my own rules I can't rate The Marvels, just had no desire to see it, but I saw Captain Marvel and I think it's an average marvel movie6.5/7 out of 10. Pros: Monica, Maria, Goose, Fury, Coulson. Cons: Villains', Timeline problems, Danver's mistakes(?), and Feige's Big Fat Lie(although power scaling is subjective). So I agree with the crew Fury and Coulson should definitely get a buddy cop movie/series leading up to og avengers. Goose is a tabby my fav house cat, I love orange, he's adorable and terrifying one of the best combinations out there. Monica and Maria I'm a sucker for a good Daughter/Mom combo. Individually Maria pilot there is always something cool about that. Monica is adorable like Goose, but with a fun wit that had me laughing a few times, and creative I liked her suit choice and the photo album. Unfortunately I don't think the villains are up to par the Supreme Intelligence is boring and I don't know Yon-Rogg's motivation is he a zealot, a loyalist, a sociopath or just an obstacle. Then the timeline problems with the movie taking place in the mid 90s(I believe 1995) she's unaccounted for over 20 years by infinity war: where has she been? who has she fought or befriended? how much growth has she had? why does she not look to have aged at all? Like I said above this should have been the end of phase 2 and this slot used for her 2nd movie. Danver's unintentional mistake: time placement meant she couldn't kill Ronan because he was the villain for first Guardians film, but I always wondered what her in universe reasoning was. There is also the fact she's been in space for 20+ years and never took on Thanos or his children. As we know thanks to Gamora he has been slaughtering half of various planets populations for a minimum of 20-25 years possibly more. Even if he only does this to 4 planets a year that's 80-100 planets minimum. (probably in the hundreds of billions to trillions range of casualties) Now I can't really blame her because again she was brought in to late for her to be shown doing something like this. It's probably my biggest beef the time placement. (bad writers go sit in the corner...oh AI taking your jobs clearly the Supreme Intelligence's true plan.) Then we get to Kevin Feige's Big Fat Lie(again power scaling subjective): “You’re going to get the most powerful superhero that we’ve ever introduced with, I think, one of the most unique and inspiring origin stories.”(statement by Kevin Feige). However Danver's is not the strongest superhero in the MCU at the time of Infinity War that would be Enraged Wanda(destroyed an infinity stone), Stormbreaker Thor(almost killed Thanos by cutting through the power of 6 infinity stones), Time-stone Dr. Strange(couldn't be used watch the How it Should Have Ended to know why), and Vision taking things seriously from the start. (we never get to see this except Age of Ultron and really he's a day old with no training yet.) The above four are interchangeable between themselves, but I would place Captain Marvel at fifth with potential to break into the top 3 we'll know before the reboot if this becomes true or not.
Finally pay attention to her screen time in Endgame. Any I had fun watching this with you guys can't wait til tomorrow when I'll watch Endgame. I'm stoked to see your reactions to Endgame and Far From Home. All the feels are coming baby! Stand out everyone and remember have a beautiful time.
PS I agree the lighting wasn't great at times.
I hadn't watched this movie entirely since the cinema when it first came out. Was never a huge fan of it.
It was definitely a bit better than I remember but I think it suffered the same issue as Ant-Man and The Wasp. Terrible placement left it feeling like a hurdle stopping people from seeing what they wanted to see, the main event.
Dismissing the hate/dislike comments and just labelling anyone who feels that way as just misogynistic isn't exactly helpful to the conversation. It's the same mindset as the people who look at this and decide it's "woke" and therefore bad or not worth the time of day.
As you said as well, people didn't like the release time. Originally it was "Infinity War Part 2". If it had been a Hawkeye and Black Widow movie, it would've been much better received.
Then there's the subtle retcons. Calling it Shield even though that wasn't established as the shorthand until Coulson was in Iron Man.
People don't like the reveal that a Cat was what destroyed Fury's eye.
Naming the Avengers after a character that felt like she came out of nowhere and disappears just as quickly.
Also, as you lot mentioned, she's too overpowered for some peoples tastes.
All the stuff with people hating on Brie Larson too since a large chunk of the hate wasn't about the movie itself as you mentioned. She had a few out of context quotes + some awkward interviews that just mad her look bad at the time. Then seemingly no effort was put in to course correct and we end up with this outcome.
Anyone saying this movie is 1/10 OR 10/10 are just going above and beyond to try and hurt the other side. Neither are helpful.
Also, from what a lot of comictubers said around the time or after it, Carol Danvers isn't very liked as a character from the comics to begin with. I think that's why they straight up killed her off for a long time.
Also also, unrelated but kind of related. As an Agents of Shield fan, knowing that Coulson should realistically be in his early to mid 20s in this is really throwing me off. Also it's nuts that Fury is only a Level 3 Agent.
Also also also, please watch Agents of Shield.
jude law is hot...male gay says so.
you guys are unironically the best people to watch movies with. from 'We're your friends to watch movies with' to 'you boat a fish not land a fish in a matter of seconds.
i haven’t seen this movie in years but wow was this amazing. i really don’t get the criticism at all. People are saying it’s her acting but i found her endearing the entire movie. Her “stoic” lines made sense for the character she’s portraying. She had her quirky moments too and i loved it so much! I did find her very OP, but what’s wrong with that? Thanos was introduced as extremely OP and everyone was scared af of him but thought he was a cool character. Now we have a character who’s on equal footing as him but she’s considered “too OP”?
I never really thought much about why she’d be so OP but it makes sense when someone said in the video, she’s literally named after the marvel franchise 💀 why would someone named “Captain Marvel” not be one of the strongest people in the MARVEL universe.
Either way, great movie & i’m glad i got to watch it with you guys, you guys are such cool people man. Money well spent!
My biggest issue with this movie isnt brie larson its the writing team deciding instead of writing a heros journey were going to write the character like a villain and then treat her like a hero
This is like if thor instead of being banished was instead praised
This reaction was the first time I watched this movie.
7/10, not amazing or groundbreaking, but it was a fun watch. I just wish Brie Larson put some more personality into her character. Feels like a Phase 1 or early Phase 2 MCU movie. If this movie came out like after the first Avengers movie or earlier I'd give this an 8/10 or 9/10.
the issue with this movie was the actor not being good and the fact it ruins the previous time line
Why isn't the actress good?
The thing is she is a good actor the problem is there writing her like shes perfect when shes not so it comes off less like a heros journey and more like a villain
I didn't feel for the movie as much as i wanted too like story and background was great but i just think it's so far forward to introduce Captain Marvel. If this movie was released maybe after the first Guardians movie i feel like it would of made a great entrance for her then to put the Fury disappear part at the end of the film instead of an end credit then after the mid credits of this film at the end credits in Infinity War. Idk some people could probably put it better but yea non less story was great, background was great and comedy was great like i said it was placement of the film
What really sucks about the woman hating comments, makes it to where those of us that didn't like it got mixed in with those 1 star sexist idiots. I personally gave it a 2 or 3 outta 5 at the time, just cause I was comparing it to the bangers recently and this one just felt slower to me. And as far as Captain Marvel as a character, the acting was honestly on point, she is not the most likable characters even in the comics.
She's like Superman with an emotionless personality, I don't personally like over powered heroes that often. But I rank this about the same as the 1st ant man movie.
If Brie Larson put some more personality into the character it'd def be a 4 outta 5.
I hated the song choice for the big fight. Bd Reputation would've been a much better fit. Also the way she dealt with the Supreme Intelligence felt pack luster to me.
i dont know if you remember but Fury did end up paging her in one of the end credit scenes from Infinity war before he himself got snapped away
Movie came out amidst the rise of THAT kind of internet discourse as well as people being kinda pissed about the introduction of a "new character" in the middle of the wait between infinity war and endgame, all in all just bad timing. The movie itself I think is perfectly decent, on the same level as most of the phase 1 marvel movies but that was my issue, I think it would have been much better for this to come out as a phase 1 or 2 marvel movie. I think it would have added a lot more to the hype of infinity wars end credit scene if Captain Marvel was established but kind of on the backburner compared to the rest of the MCU up until that point. I think reception also would have been better cause it would have atleast been pre-"everything that's not me is woke" discourse.
My main problem with the movie is just the power set. Like superman, if you have all the power to do anything, then what could pose a challenge? What could change or make the hero have to learn/adapt/grow? I never liked superman for these reasons and after seeing what her powers were like, I never got interested in her either.
The movie on it's own is ok. A little bland. Some funny moments. But they introduced her suddenly before the next big phase, and she was presented as the end all be all answer to the problem. Like if she was so powerful, why couldn't she have helped in Infinity War? Wouldn't word of what Thanos was doing reach her? Seemed like a cop out. Same sort of issue with Superman. You have to either have him be super busy to not fix the issue of the day or find a way to take him out for others to shine.
Rewatching the film with you guys helped to remind me of why I didn't like it. Not because 'women invading' but more of the overall premise. That and they didn't give her any flaws or issues. A little too perfect.
A difference between MCU Captain Marvel (I believe the comics is less overpowered) and superman is superman has weaknesses. Kryptonite in all its many shades do things to him, overdosing on sunlight does things to him, magic can bypass his defences as he's no stronger against it than any other non magical hero, he needs yellow sunlight to be as powerful as he is and there are several enemies who can match his power and even more who come close. So he can be written as being physically challenged fairly easy e.g. the superman vs xenomorphs storyline where responding to a distress signal he winds up fighting them on a planet where he's losing power and becoming a normal person. Captain Marvel especially MCU marvel has no weaknesses and no one who can challenge her so as you said her storyline is fairly dull. She shows up, she headbutts the spaceship into pieces and everyone goes home. Resulting in an arrogrant character who never grows.
This movie is great! I loved it then and I love it now. It's like a backflash in One Piece before the real shit happens.
While I have some issues with Brie Larsons line delivery, I think that the reason I didnt enjoy this movie until rewatching it here is because of DIsney and their garbage timing. Infinity war had just happened and lots of people wanted to see a conclusion (endgame) or a movie about how the snap affected the more well known avengers. Giving the fans an origin story (while totally necessary) felt like a cop out to me. The main reason was that I felt like they could've introduced us to Carol earlier (Not by much but maybe before infinity war?) and had her interact with at some members of the wider main cast (aside from Nat in the mid-cred scene.) I think that they missed lots of opportunities to tie her in more with the Avengers (named after her btw) and the fact that she's just kind of "there" now makes it seem like Disney forced her in for (neckbeard alert "tHe WoKe AgEnDa" and "FeMiNiSt SuPrEmAcY") when she really was an important character that was just unlucky.
Also if I remember correctly her and Chris Hemsworth had some beef (it was years ago idk if it was rly beef or just a disagreement or whatever.) and it rubbed alot of fans the wrong way about her character. Not that it's an excuse to hate on the movie or anything but lot's of people DO judge books by there cover.
I just one day read a lot of hate stuff towards her and I decided not to listen to it. I love this movie for what it is and where it's placed. It's like One Piece, just a backstory before the real shit happens! I never got mad at that, so why would I get mad at this? I do have to agree to the point that a lot of people were making at this point, that there were to many superhero movies coming out and it didn't feel original anymore. But luckily Disney said they admitted they went for quantity and now finally see that it was hurting the MCU.
There was no beef with Chris Hemsworth or Don Cheadle. That's what those people who hated her made up based on nothing but press intervies where they were joking with one another and being sarcastic. Those people even went as far as to make "body language videos" to prove it but it was all so dumb . Don Cheadel even had to come out and explain that it*s not true but those people still spread it . This comment section is a testament that they were successful because so many people spread that BS even to this day , saying they had beef or they didn*t like working together when it*s all made up by the people who hated her for stupid reasons
the guy she is fighting is the guy that plays Dumbledore in fantastic beast
Or Watson! I hope they will watch Sherlock Holmes with RDJ and Jude Law when the third movie is out.
You guys should literally clip the end of the video of you reading the one star reviews and how bugs they are and upload it just to prove a point on how brain dead people were when it came to reviewing this movie
They could do the same with 10 star reviews all with the same dialogue praising it. Both sides were pushing an agenda here.
regarding the scale of the number of people gone, unless you work on scales with massive numbers, they become meaningless after a certain point
This was one of the early examples where there probably is valid criticism, but every sexist dipshit throws out disengenuous criticism, for example you'll find people complaining about her and Iron Heart for being arrogant. Meanwhile most of the people saying that love iron man.
The problem was iron mans arrogance was presented as a problem
Captain marvel is treated like she is perfect and eveyone needs to see shes perfect its how you write a villin not how you write a heros journey
The only thing I didn't like about this movie but it small which is the skulls in the comic where empirical force that conquered through infiltration and them trying to boost they're shapeshift ability by trying copying the powers and abilities of heroes which you won't see right off the gate on the first introducion unless it in a cut scene
Was...Erik talking about the Rathtars from Force Awakens that Han was transporting and they got out?
Immediately thought about that too lmao
funny part the daughter is ashley on the new fresh prince show
So there's actually a scene in age of Ultron where fury is eating a sandwich and it's cut vertically not horizontally
The lesbian separatists were a key part of Dooku's coalition during the Clone Wars.
Yeah the stilted stiffness of her character is meant to be part of the character. She's been indoctrinated for 6 years by a fascist space empire to believe she's part of a noble warrior hero race, and taught to show no emotion, with Yon-Rogg constantly reminding her of it. You can see her struggling with that the whole time. Never got the hate abt this movie.
The reason I believe which i dont remember fully. She almost pulled a snow white. The actress was expressing things the whole audience wouldn't like to hear. The movie itself was good. Outside the movie is what waste reason for the hate
Definitely not the whole audience just a few man babies who couldn't stand that she had a different opinion on a movie called Wrinkle in Time
I thought it was becuase they change the whole idea of the skulls like them supposed to be the villains do to them being a empire that take over planets and Ronan is a rogue Kree rule that was banished by the kree and comic fans aren't fans of such a big change and also how the thought bree wasn't quite fit for the role compared to the ms marvel previous to the captain marvel reboot
Is what the main reason for the hate*
I've never seen this until now, but I was thoroughly entertained. Perfectly good marvel movie. I do think that Brie Larsons acting was pretty stiff the majority of the time, but the rest of the cast more than made up for it.
When people talk about Captain Marvel as a character, a lot of the time they are referencing the comics, and most of the time it is very valid. Her character was pretty shitty from what I've seen. That shouldn't take away from the movie though and thats the problem
It's crazy and a shame because she was actually likable when she was ms marvel but when she became captain marvel the writers just made her annoying and character assassinating her with civil war 2 making her a basically a facist
The problem is not what bree thinks. Its not about a woman in the lead. Its just cause the acting is a bit stiff from brie larson, lots of people dont think she was the right choice. I was in the first movie indifferent about her but she was amazing in the second movie. I think its also cause it landed between infinity war and endgame. Everyone was going bananas after infinity war and I hen there are like 2 more grounded movies after
no a lot of people just didnt like that a woman had a leading role, and that the mcu basically came out swinging saying that captain marvel was one of the strongest. the sensitive men got offended on behalf of fictional men.
Im indifferent about captain marvel the character/super hero. Yet I really like this movie for all the sci-fi parts and the different aliens too. I knew absolutely nothing from the comics about Captain Marvel before watching this movie. I didn’t even know Captain Marvel was a superhero until I watched this movie.
I say captain marvel is the best solo hero movie in the MCU.
Nah Iron Heart deserved it. Cocky ass main character who thinks shes better than iron man, banner, hawking in the first 2 minutes. You'll see when you get to it.
Have you seen iron man? Hes so cocky but we all love him for it, your just extremely biased because in the comics she is like top 7 Smartest people on earth and a he’s even smarter then Bruce in the comics
BECAUSE ITS PRESENTED AS A PROBLEM NOT SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE PRAISED FOR
she is better
She literally NEVER says she’s better than Iron Man please stop talking out of your ass.
Tell that to whoever made the trailers to iron heart.
Her power level and her mastery of it confuses me. She has the power of one infinity stone. But she is the most powerful thing in the universe. And the de-aging disney does weirds me out
Wanda also has the power of one infinity stone and yet she's probably the most powerful being we've ever met in the MCU up to this point. I don*t get why it's an issue here when it*s not even the first time they*re doing it
Her power level is really my only critique. After she loses the inhibitor its like she instantly understood the full extent of her powers and became a god. In one day she went from fighting with one arm behind her back to moving a spaceship across the galaxy. Scarlet Witch got her power from a stone, but we see her over the course of a couple movies learn to use it. She went from someone powerful, but inexperienced to a fully powered hero. She had moments of uncertainty and times where she messed up, but they helped her grow. It couldve been the same for Marvel, but her journey felt rushed since she only had one movie to explore her character/power before Endgame.
It became cool to hate on this movie when it was coming out because people were starting to hate on the actress due to the fact that she had an opinion about Wrinkle in Time which is a movie targeted toward young black women that she'd rather hear an opinion from someone in that demographic before an opinion of a white man.
Which is a sexist take and instead of apologising she doubled down. She still gets hate but not as much but that incident ruined her career with marvel as they cut so many of her scenes and moved away from her and pushed her to the side lines and canning making her the leader of the avengers.
It's not a sexist take it's just her opinion she shouldn't have to apologize for her opinion on who she's would rather hear an opinion on a movie from if man babies can't handle it then stick to sitting indoors being sensitive. It also didn't ruin her career with Marvel she still here still in projects and will still be in future projects. It was also never said that they were making her the leader of the Avengers
its not. some movies have clear target demographics and people are right to want to hear from that toarget demographic instead of a person so far out of that demographic that they dont understand half of the nuances or narratives going on within the movie. EX: Pixars Turning Red. The movie was a allegory for young girls starting thier periods and all the emotional and hormonal changes that come with hitting puberty. And who were some of the biggest and loudest haters critiqing the movie? Adult men, ie: NOT THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC. These men missed the point so hard cause they didnt understand the narrative because they were NOT the targets. Also plenty male actors do and say far worse and still have booming careers, its not obviously a gender thing and to pretned its not its stupid and blind.
YES ABOUT JUDE LAW DEAR GOD YES
Yes Bree, I've been saying for years...people need to watch stuff for themselves and make their own opinions instead of relying on reviewers to tell them how to feel about something, and then deciding they hate it without even giving it a chance. It drives. Me. Nuts.
To be honest this movie was a banger even though I like İnfinity war and End game more, Pretty solid movie still. I can really connect with Captain Marvel. And her getting up montage gave me chills. She was done so good and felt so human which is a great sign that the superhero movie done right.
I really think Boom just has a Gilf fetish, because no, she in fact has not just gotten hotter as she aged
Dude what are you talking about she is really hot in this movie and I agree that she got hotter over the years just look her imdb page and old movie screenshots for reference if you will.
That jukebox scene was def an irredeemable moment for me. Like is there really no other way to prove to Fury who she is except blowing up some random guy's $400 electronic?
She doesn't even prove anything as all he has is her word that Skrulls can't do that (some of them can) just as she has his word that story he told her (a) didn't happen to a long term infiltration Skrull or (b) isn't made up as she doesn't know him. The whole scene is pointless as it boils down to "I"m not a Skrull, are you a Skrull?" "No" "Cool" with added property destruction of someone not involved.
It was ‘cool’ to hate on Captain Marvel and Brie Larson when it came out so that took over a lot of the press and public image, but I didn’t know anyone personally who didn’t like it. It’s not my favorite one, but it’s by no means as bad as people act like it is and all the criticisms I saw were mostly just bit hung and moaning. As a millenial, I loved the nostalgia of it like yall did and it’s such a good glimpse into a lot of background info with Fury. Plus Captain Marvel is legit cool. Like objectively so strong. It’s fun.
The movie is not bad she just got alot of hate for making a sexist remark. Just take what she said and flip the gender around being a white guy saying they didn't want the opinion of women. It's a shame as it's not a bad movie
I think I really appreciate you guys going into every movie open minded, with how the Marvel fanbase is nowadays it will only make your viewing experience that much better
My first time watching I didn't like it much because I really didn't connect to Carol and thought her acting was really emotionless and monotone. On this rewatch, though, I think I was a little too harsh on it. There are definitely some stand-out moments where the acting or writing are pretty bad, but the rest of the movie is quite good
There are also some moments that are written in a sort of corporate pandering faux social justice way.
At timestamp 1:34:00 when Captain Marvel gets control of her powers and her body, eyes, and hair started glowing, all I thought was "Didn't you know... Carol's vegan" lol. Scott Pilgrim throwback 😂
Flerkins have been mentioned a couple times in guardian of the galaxy
Man they gotta watch Agents of shield Coulson is the fucking goat best Agent ever ! I wish Coulson got more scenes in this movie but it was nice seeing him. This movie was always better on a rewatch for me like it’s good just I feel the amnesia story wasn’t the best imo but I liked the movie and seeing a young Fury
Goose is awesome and such a good kitty! Lol
Oh man I loved this movie when it came out and still love it! Brie did a wonderful job as Carol! The hate for this movie at the time critics and other was insane!!!
This still was a meh movie, part of problem is, some feel tricked watching it, Being before EG people expected something important happening other than "She exists". A&W felt like it had at least some set up before EG.
The only "Feminist" move that really bothered me was changing Mar Vel to she. Mar Vel was male Kreean and Cap. Marvel before Carol. in fact she inherited name from him (Before she was Ms Marvel). As one who loves Earth Mightiest Heros, Their story and connection was great in that, I was really let down by the story in this movie.
And the Biggest problem, Skrull. Them being victims. It was not only poor decision in this movie but in whole franchise. They are almost always depicted as Evil conquering race of infiltrating shape shifters. oh but what about "real and complexity" entire race bad? we cant have that. Really? Then what about Kree? Only one good Kree is Mar Vel, And I want to note, Nether Yondu nor Nebula are Kree (People mistake it because of Blue skin). Beaty of Kree-Skrull war was nether was good and earth was caught in crossfire, each side hade one or two who wanted to do better and fix their race. but now it is just one side evil other poor victims. which later hurt Secret Invasion, introducing them as victims, but suddenly there are evil ones.
nick fury was white in the comics before sam jackson, i doubt you have a problem with that casting. The comics are always switching people's gender and race. the comics also always love making villains into heroes and vice versa. so much about guardians was changed from the comics but i doubt you had a problem with that either. All i am saying is to be honest with yourself and just accept you don't like the film and stop trying to justify it with comic lore bc that has never mattered for all of the other great marvel movies
No one should have felt tricked in the scene this movie because they never gave you any indication or warning that it's something you had to see in order to get endgame and I challenge you or anyone else to actually find proof of Marvel suggesting otherwise. If you got tricked into watching it that's your own fault
PS
Also Avengers name origin connected to her, Annoying way to make her Marvels new face.
So looking back on this film it is better than I remember. My initial issue problem was that I felt like Brie Larson could have given the character a more fiery temper or personality, and some of that is there but more could have been added. I am recently watch the avengers earth's mightiest heroes show with blind wave, and when Carol Danvers shows up Jennifer Hale kind of gives her more of that personality that I wish was here.
Nevertheless, some of those 1 star reviews you read do sound like review bombs from the time, where some people on the internet had issues with Brie Larson's perceived feminism and that the movie seem to push some sort of girl power message especially with the main character being op and having very little flaws. I.E. the mary-sue type. While I do see some of those points, I do feel like their are much worse example of that than this film.
Also, in regards to the political messaging, what they are possibly referring to is the fact that the twist in the movie that shows that the skulls are not the bad guys but are instead victims of this war that are just looking for a new home and the Kree are villainizing them by mentioning that they are "invading their borders" and are "hurting innocent people" it does seem like an on the nose allegory for the politics of the time. I.E. Trump's first term and push to keep out illegal Mexican immigrants.
All in all, this movie was good but not great and does feel like it's mostly here so that people aren't questioning who captain marvel is when she pops up in Endgame, and even after seeing that film this one does feel a bit skippable 🤔. Also last note, many don't like that they showed how Fury lost his eye here: one because it's lame and two because it contradicts a line said in winter soldier.
I love this movie. Brie Larson is a good actress, always fun to watch and same for Sam Jackson and Mendehlson. I love all the characters, especially Goose. People who whine about it being a film about women or politics are the people I avoid because they go thru life with sticks up their butts and can't just enjoy things.
I'm glad you guys are enjoying the movies in general. A lot of people complained about this movie without even seeing it as they did with The Marvels because of the slight feminism aspect to it and because they had a problem with Brie Larson. Which from my understanding was only because she was asked who would win in a fight, Captain Marvel or Thanos and she answered it quickly with Captain Marvel would, which she wasn't wrong, without the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos wouldn't be able to out power her lmao. But I'm sure there are some other dumb reasons for them to review bomb without even going to see the movie.
Yeah I do remember back when this movie came out people were review bombing it because they have a problem with Bre Larson herself.
Yeah I feel like it was issues with the actress and not the movie and then it all blinded together.....
This is a great movie, there's a reason it made $1 billion at the theaters. And yes please do Hook, it's my favorite Robin Williams movie. Also consider doing Babe as well. I feel like you guys would absolutely love that movie.
Yeah, a movie can’t just make 1 billion dollars just for it to be a bad movie.
To be fair, movies that are considered bad can still make money 🤔.
It's a good film and the hate it gets is mostly just anti-woke nonsense. The 'overpowered' criticism has some validity to it though I think. Suddenly dropping the strongest person ever in between an Avengers two-parter, after years of buildup and Thanos being this unstoppable force just felt cheap. It’s like, "Oh by the way this has been here the whole time, and she's more powerful than everyone ever, anyways lets continue." I can see why that bothered some people. It almost felt like they were throwing a get out of jail free card into the plot. Unfortunatetly because of the the sexist nonesense from people who probably didn't even watch the film, it's hard to tell where the legit critiques are.
to me the movie itself is fine, i love coulson and fury and just about everything. i just dont like brie larson as an actress. not because of what she's said or that she's a woman, i just dont like her acting. every line from her feels fake or forced and i have trouble believing it. and it's not just her, i have that issue a little bit with ruffalo and sometimes brolin too, some actors just dont do it for me every time. not to mention the spoiled basically the main climax in the trailer which made it kinda fall flat in the theater. it's a 5/10, which isnt a bad score but its probably the least rewatchable movie for me.
The “problem” that most people had with this film was that they were fed an out of context quote from Brie Larson by right wing grifters and they used that to fuel their vitriol. Also it didn’t help that in the comics, Carol’s popularity began to dwindle because of the way she was written in Civil War II.
As Ruff said, Brie made a comment during a panel FOR A DIFFERENT MOVIE and said she wants to see more women and people of color and less white guys be movie critics especially when it’s a film a white guy can’t relate to.
I fucking loved this movie.
Also also, a lot of people like to harp on Brie’s acting saying she was “stiff” and “emotionless” like YOU IDIOTS THAT’S THE ENTIRE POINT OF HER CHARACTER SHE WAS TRAINED AND MANIPULATED BY THE KREE TO BE AN EMOTIONLESS KILLING MACHINE
Agents of shield is good watch if you haven’t seen it already. Lots of agent coulson.
There are valid criticisms about the movie like beat points of the plot being off or all over the place, the lighting etc. BUT most of the hate was because people did not like seeing a cocky OP female superhero that doesn't have their femininity as part of their allure. Brie Larson being the embodiment of cocky confident female during interviews didn't help with being "appealing" at that time either. Lots of fans also hyper analyzed interviews with her and the cast and just dissected it with the conclusion that the rest of the cast hates her or is uncomfy with her cus she was "annoying". She was very pro feminism unapologetically as well so you can just imagine where the stupid hate came from. Arguably, it being released in between infinity war and end game helped it a lot in box office.
So glad you guys enjoyed it, I remember enjoying it when i saw it years ago.
Man i'm loving the MCU watch y'all should also watch THE BOYS!!!! It's a gritty dark superhero show with some light humor it would be perfect for yall and the channel if you havent watched it already its a masterpiece in its class
Tbf, The Boys isn’t really gritty and dark. It’s satire OF gritty and dark superhero content.
One of the number one reason I know people disliked this move was how they suddenly made her the "Strongest character" out of nowhere, like during an interview months before it even came out. Like. stronger than Thor who we just saw take the full brunt of a dwarf star, or Wanda who was ragdolling half of the avengers almost single handedly in the Airport Battle, incapacitated Thor, Steve, Nat, and Banner in quick succession in AoU, ripped out Ultron's vibranium heart through his vibranium body, and can disable Vision. Or, you know, Vision's super strength, mindstone, intanginbility, etc etc. Or Doctor Strange. But nope, they just said even before movie came out that she was the strongest, and then she was just... meh. Like, the peak of what she did in this movie was not even close to comparable to Thor in IF.
Or also the fact that in Marvel, at the time, in the comics, Captain Marvel was just not powerful. During the Civil War 2 comic line, she arrested Spider Man (believe it was the Miles version to) because of a crime that a mutant child saw in the future, and Carol takes it as an absolute certainty, and this ends up leading to a war that kills a lot of the heroes. So she wasn't popular there either, so her coming in, after IF and a lot of people died, and then they go "Oh yeah, this character who hasn't been well liked for a few years, yeah, she's stronger than all of your favorites, and even their villains, and she is going to save the day" and yeah, the movie got hated on.
And don't get me wrong, this is a good movie. It's a decent Phase One movie. Phase one ended in 2012, and it shouldn't be a decent movie in comparison to others 7 years ago
Just to clarify No heroes die during Civil War 2. The closest is Rhodey being killed by Thanos at the start of the story but coming back later. No one else died. And in Civil War 2 Everyone was an asshole. Tony was commiting war crimes and torturing the kid who was getting the future visions. So everyone was an asshole in the story.
Sorry, you are correct. I got Civil War One casualties and Civil War Two casualties conflated, its been a few years. However, there were at least two confirmed popular heroes killed, those being Bruce Banner Hulk (killed by Hawkeye at the time even though it later got retconned and he ended up coming back), and Rhodey died (killed by Thanos until later retcon), Jenn Walters was in a coma, amd Tony dies (until he is cloned). So yeah, heroes do die. And Tony isn't great either in that story line. But Carol 100% was the one more at fault. She arrested Spider-Man for a crime he hadn't even committed yet, or been close to committing, because some kid with mutant powers, and it was revealed later they weren't even 100% accurate either, just a possible future, told her what Spider-Man *might* do.
Just wanna say yes, please please please do True Lies and Hook!
True lies!! Jamie Lee Curtis!!
Lemme just say I appreciate y'all's chat at the end and I hope to hell and back there's at least one viewer out there listening and has their mind changed about this sort of stuff.
Fun fact, I heard that because Brie Larson is horribly allergic to cats, every scene of Carol and Goose together was really a CG edited cat, with the real Goose actor only being in the scenes without her.
It's a great movie and I love Brie as Carol! When she screamed back at that skrull, I was fully on board from then on.
Personally I’d give the movie a 6.5-7/10 it’s not the worst marvel movie but it’s definitely not the top 10. It just feels so disjointed with everything we’ve already seen. It’s really hard to make a character later in the series but make them in the past. The whole movie my first time watching was just where was she when thanos was out killing half of planets before the stones. She’s been around for like 20+ years before iron man. I know there are probably cannon reasons but that kinda feels like lazy writing.
Sean, as a fellow fat man, I feel ya on the blankie thing
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You have to remember at the time captain marval came out a month before alita battle angel had come out which has a similar theme of lost memories. So you have one which is a heart wrenching story that made many cry for her compared to captain marvals meh emotional performance. Don't get me wrong I like it I just think that they missed a huge chunk of emotional stuff that would have helped people connect with her character. Frankly it's just pure action with some interesting twists and turns.
I found CM Meh, like it’s definitely not in top 10 worse marvel movies I just don’t find Captain Marvel as interesting character, Nick Fury was ok , I think if this movie came out before Infinity War it wouldn’t have made so much money cause the same reason with Antman and the wasp it made a lot of money coming off the hype of Infinity War and a lot were going to see the film to see how it connects to endgame, so it was bit of a bumpy road in between IW and Endgame.
Woah, i didn't know McKenna Grace was in this (young Carol), she's about to play Maysilee Donner in the new Hunger Games movie and a character in the Scream 7 movie. Been a fan since the Haunting of Hill House, she's just an outstanding actress, especially considering she's so young.
I really hope people stop sharing misinformation online that other Marvel cast members disliked working with Brie Larson when that's not true at all nor that she*s a bad person. Certain fans online that hated her made that up and even started doing "body language" analysis videos to support their insane theories saying Don Cheadle and/or Chris Hemsworth hated her bcs of dry humor jokes during interviews. Don Cheadle even came out and said that the rumors that he disliked Brie are false but everyone who kept saying that ignored it and further spread it. It’s ridiculous . And everyone else on the Endgame press tour was very friendly with her. It’s insane what things some people are spreading just because they hate her for her comments which aren’t bad at all. She made a speech at an industry event saying not all movies are geared towards white man and white critics around 2018 or 2017 and she also said in an interview that society expects women always to always smile and be pleasant and calls them bad words otherwise. I fail to see what*s so bad about that as a woman and I certainly agree and itcertainly doesn*t warrant thousands of people still hating on her to this day. Sorry to get so heated in the comments but I was reading some comments below and it was just bothering me to see misinformation spread
This was the start of people saying that the Marvel cast hated Brie Larson because of jokes, and nobody understanding dry humor.
So here's the deal about the Fury eye thing:
In The Avengers when Coulson Died Fury Said "I lost my one good eye" and in The Winter Soldier Fury said "Last Time I trusted someone I lost an eye" so this line wasn't about the Flerkin taking his eye but was instead about how he trusted Trusted Coulson and his death in the Avengers the equivalent of loosing an eye...
idk he said in this movie "i trust you not to eat me" to goose and then he took his eye so theres some symbolism to what your saying but i think on a surface level that was the throwback to that last time i trusted someone line
my friends are out of town so i cant watch movies with them sadge
in the comics the skrulls as a people are mostly bad guys, the twist in this movie was that they are good and for comic fans that was fun to get surprised, cuz that's the type of thing real comics do all the time
ENDGAME NEXT WEEK!
to be fair from the first second they show that she is on the world with the big evil guys and everyone is supposed to know its all a big lie xD
they tell you "CAPITAL OF THE KREE" and we know Ronan as the super villain from the guardians movie and know the kree are a big bunch of poo poo people xD
Personally, I just found it to be a rather boring movie. I wasn't all that interested in Carol's story line and it feels a bit forced introducing her right between the two finale movies of the MCU. Also really didn't like that this is the "reveal" of how Fury's eye got damaged. They made it sound so badass in Winter Soldier only for it to be... a cat. It's just lame.
I've heard a lot of people have similar complaints with Carol in the comics ever since she became Captain Marvel. I've learned she was quite well loved when she was Miss Marvel, but ever since taking the Captain's mantle, it's been a lot of rough patches with many different comic cancellations over the years due to low interest. I remember seeing her in Earth's Mightiest Heroes and she was a much more interesting and well rounded character there.
Anyways, good for you guys for liking the movie, but for me, this will always be a skip when rewatching the MCU.
I always find it amusing that everyone upset by the Fury eye thing is always "It was just a cat" when literally the most Fury thing in the world is to take something as mundane as a cat scratch and turn it into the single most iconic and mysterious part of his persona. Also, not a cat. Fury literally got mauled and permanently scarred by a cosmic hyper predator. So it's simultaneously the most mundane and singularly badass thing that could happen. And that is also extremely Nick Fury. That the coolest thing could happen to him, but due to space weirdness, it's just... "Meh". I wouldn't have it any other way.
Also how they suddenly made her the "Strongest character" out of nowhere. Like. stronger than Thor who we saw take the full brunt of the sun, or Wanda who was ragdolling half of the aveners almost single handedly in the Airport Battle, incapacitated Thor, Steve, Nat, and Banner in quick succession in AoU, ripped out Ultron's vibranium heart through his vibranium body, and can disable Vision. Or, you know, Vision's super strength, mindstone, intanginbility, etc etc. Or Doctor Strange. But nope, they just said even before movie came out that she was the strongest, and then she was just... meh. Like, the peak of what she did in this movie was not even close to comparable to Thor in IF.
It's funny how all those characters you mention are super strong right out the gate off their origin film, and yet Carol is not allowed to also be that strong right out the gate off her origin movie. Wonder why that is? There will always be a strongest and they will most likely always be that way right off the starting line.
Thor 1st film stripped of his power and has to prove himself worth of it. Wanda first film powerful but not so much so that everyone else is irrelevant and loses her brother. Vision 1st film largely a deus ex machina and the closest comparison but only comes in at the end of a group film. Doctor Strange cocky and arrogrant loses his hands, loses his mentor and has to reset time against an enemy he can only bargain with by dying for eternity. Captain Marvel comes in crushes all opposition, is proven constantly right, gets her memories back and destroys a super intelligent AI in cyberspace, wipes out several starships and generally never grows or is challenged. There is a difference here, as I said the closest is Vision and he came in at the end of a group film where the others were fairly similar in contribution.
for me this is the most underrated marvel movie ... also its not the "wokest" where on earth is it woke ? what does that even mean XD also i think even then the title would go to the eternals
people hate on it i feel cause tehy dont like bree olsen or i dont know ... its top5 marvel movie EASY for me
(yes guys i truly put black panther in worst5 and captain marvel in best5 sue me)
I will say the marketing felt kind of patronizing, with how much it focused on Carol being a woman (look at Wonder Woman in comparison, how much did they focus on her gender there?), but yeah, aside from that, it's just a bunch of whiny men upset that they see themselves in the men who harass Carol, and so they felt the movie was targeting men specifically, when in reality, it was just including things that women regularly struggle with. The same thing would happen with She-Hulk.
It is totally ok if you love the movie, there's definitely a subjective part to it, as any other form of art. There is also a very good part that is objective... and people have spoken.
jaeh but people are stupid xD lets be hones there :)
if you just look at the movie away from all outer influence the most criticism fall apart and end in "i feel carol denvers a character who is supposed to have supressed emotions has surpressed emotions" xD
For the love of god finish watching transformers
There's a long complicated history behind Marvel Comics obtaining the trademark "Captain Marvel" that goes back to Fawcett Comics creating "Captain Marvel" (who would eventually become DC's Shazam) in 1940 and getting sued by National Comics (who would become DC Comics) for being a Superman ripoff in 1951. After "Atlas Comics" rebranded as "Marvel Comics" they eventually created "Captain Marvel" because the trademark was up for grabs and made bunch of Captain Marvel Comics just to keep the trademark. Carol Danvers wasn't first, or even the second, Captain Marvel. But she is the current and most popular one.
What's Ironic about Marvel Comic's first Captain Marvel is that he had more in common with Superman than Fawcett Comic's Captain Marvel, but he never outsold Superman like Fawcett's Captain Marvel so DC didn't care enough to sue again.
I know a lot of older comic fans who insist on calling Shazam "Captain Marvel" cause that's what they grew up with and are upset at the change, but since DC fucked over Fawcett to begin with, I revel in Marvel swooping in and yoinking the Captain Marvel name.
Since when is Cpt Marvel the wokest marcvel movie? I personally would put "The Eternals" on that pedestal.
I feel like superhero movies are mostly as good as the main villain. This one does not really have one and therefore imo lacks in suspense. But other than thats its great.
villains are ALWAYS teh biggest weakness in marvel movies and for me this one is one of the better ones ... its no loki but its far better then the one in black panther or iron man 2 and 3 xD
Killmonger’s easily one of the best ones, imo. That scene where he talks to his dad in the afterlife is one of the best in the MCU too, because it shows how much of him is still a traumatized child, weaponized by the American military apparatus to become a tool of war. And while he genuinely believes he’s liberating people, all he knows is domination, so his ultimate goal unknowingly morphed into just giving imperialism a fresh coat of paint.
"That coulson?"
WATCH AGENTS OF SHIELD!
WATCH AGENTS OF SHIELD! you really missing a ton of story and we need to watch up not to spoiler you for a show you seem to not even wanna watch xD
While I'd also love for them to react to it and agree its worth watching with the MCU if possible its just so long and from the era of big ass seasons so i believe its just not possible to throw in with whats active and what they have in mind to watch. also its all the people mentioning needing to watch or not from the moment they started the mcu causing the vibe given when brought up i'm sure they would love to if it was possible and not such an undertaking even if they had more time five seasons of 22 episode seasons followed by another two seasons with 26 combined episodes. ONE DAY BILLY 🤞
im pretty sure a few rick and morty writers were working on marvel stuff at this time, i know for sure they were doing loki cuz you can see it a lot there.
yeah; Michael Waldron wrote The Old Man and a Seat then created Loki, Jeff Loveness wrote 8 episodes including The Vat of Acid episode and would later write Quantumania, and Jessica Gao wrote Pickle Rick then created She-Hulk
wait two directors is a sign that its a bad movie? I guess Infinity war and Endgame were bad movies to the critics then
I did watch this and Endgame opening day, both were really good. And I did NOT know anything about the MCU. So it's good to finally have context to stuff now. Can't wait for Endgame!
Me waiting on spider-man 3,endgame and thunderbolts 😭😭.
And if they do marvel television on the side punisher,daredevil,Luke cage and the rest of the defenders
Can't wait got GOTG 3
the two only things that i have issue with this movie is that, "S.H.I.E.L.D." shouldn't be what they call it. "S.H.I.E.L.D.", came to be known as "S.H.I.E.L.D." by the end of Iron Man. Before hand they would just say the whole name. The second issue is, that Fury should have known what the tesseract was. because in Avengers 1, he said that Howard stark found it in the ocean while looking for Captain America. And Capt. Marvel takes place in between Capt. America and Iron Man, timeline speaking. And if Howard would have fished the tesseract out of the ocean. Fury should have known what is was, and should have been wondering why the hell the tesseract was in a space ship. it was in "S.H.I.E.L.D." custody before the events in Capt. Marvel.
And all the bull crap that this movie got. was because it came out near the end of Trumps first term. We all know his views about a certain group of people. So for this to come out when it did, I'm not surprised that those types of reviews were given for this movie. Capt. Marvel is an amazing story, and it f-ing sucks that production was rushed and it got this amount of hate. Just for telling a story that was originally written decades ago.
I'm not 100% sure as its been a minute but In Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in some flash back i feel like they have refer to it as the word and shield and not what the acronym stands for so that particular issue it could stem from that and not this movie, (I'm debating an Agents re watch as i type xD)
I really should too. cause I really wanna know what the timeline is for all of this
Im pretty sure the reason Fury doesn't know much about the tesseract here is because he's still relatively low in the shield hierarchy yet. He's not the director of shield yet
yea but Fury and Howard were some of the founding members of shield. so if Howard did fish the tesseract out of the water, Fury would of been right next to him, or at least Howard would have told him about it.
Trump had nothing to do with the reaction to this movie. Bree Larson is why people mostly hated on this movie
they read of reviews of this movie, and almost all of them talk about "leftist ideology". If you wanna believe that Trump wasn't the reason for those reviews, than your in a cult. Trump being president lead to those reviews. if anyone else besides him was president at the time, we would not have had those types of reviews. Movie should be reviewed just off the movie. It should not include any political bull crap
So one of the reasons why she was hated out the Gate is due too how she is in the comics,she's kinda an asshole and literally started a 2nd civil war cuz she wanted to kill miles (from spiderverse) and the event ended with her putting tony(who was protecting miles) in a coma.. and fans never really forgave the character since then..
"fans" xD some fans dont understand that the happening inside one comic doesnt define a character xD if you define a character by its worst comic they all suck xD
She’s great in this other people will lie about her calling her a shitty person and people saying they didn’t like working with her, just lies Samuel L. Jackson speaks highly of Brie they have worked together a lot
i love her so much in scott pilgrim vs the world and i like you defend her ... but her name is BREE :) brie is a smelly cheese so you rly insult her mate xD
Reggie the Cat [Goose] ended up having a red carpet spot at the premiere of Captain Marvel and was interviewed by entertainment weekly
There were a lot of moving pieces that led to Captain Marvels reception not being great despite the film suceeding. Marvel was making clear at that time they were planning to move the universe more towards a female focus. They actually sold Larson on being a focus point of the universe post end game. But she made some not great comments during press runs + fans not liking some of her acting in the film + feeling she was kinda forced in right between infinity war and endgame and fans were meant to accept her as a main face. It was just a lot.
I saw a lot of reviews around the time this movie came out as I was confused as to why people didnt like it, and some did claim they didnt like her acting, but
the reasoning they arrived at. EVERY. TIME. was her being a woman. "woke". etc.
There was never an actual reason for why.
There were tons of reasons why, he just said them
+ some fans already not liking Captain Marvel as a character in the first place (granted I doubt most actually knew the character beforehand)
She imo also just has low aura. Nah da tho she a cool character and I fw other brie larson in other movies. But, her powers to me are very bland. Maybe it was the way the fights were directed.
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they review bombed the new marvel show iron heart and it was actually a really good show and one of the top shows marvel has put out just because the lead was a woman and black
It wasnt because she was a woman or black. She was a cocky MC who thinks they are better than Tony, Banner, and Hawking in the first couple minutes. "Do you think Tony Stark would be Tony Stark if he wasn't a billionaire" ~ meanwhile in Ironman 1 "TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE. WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS." Tony is Tony because of his intelligence, not his money.
the funniest part about the passion you bring to being anti iron heart is that you clearly love tony for his arrogance
That's all I will say about it. In my opinion, they are better off just doing movies. Something with an Act 1,2 and 3. No filler. Most of the shows have been lackluster and they should be focusing on Quality over Quantity.
i never let reviews blind my enjoyment i watch movies to have fun because i know most reviews are bs and they probably didnt watch the movie
solid mcu film not my fave by any means but still good powers are OP tho up there with wanda
genuinely my only complaint with this movie as a long time marvel fan that watches everything is how they ddi nick fury and his eye like im not that mad haha but i still wish it was cooler lol
I think the main reason this movie got hated on for was more so to do with the actress being kind of a shitty person. Which this movie would of have to of been a masterpiece instead of just simply okay if it was to avoid the bad reputation and reviews.
I'm pretty sure people starting hating on her and trying to make her seem like a "shitty person" BECAUSE they were pissy about this movie.
People don’t understand that she was being sarcastic and having a dry sense of humor doesn’t make her a shitty person
She’s not a shitty person, people just took Brie Larson’s comments about white film critics WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY out of context.
idk, if not shitty then people definitely considered her a lil corny. Im not saying she is, just that public perception was one the main reasons this movie performed badly.
Age of ultron fury scene he's eating toast
From what I remember when this movie came out. Bree Larson was not a loved actress. In a way, rightfully so. Even the other cast members hated or disliked her. There are a lot of fans who thought someone else should've played Captain Marvel.
The second reason most people were mad was how they boosted her abilities. In the comics and the overall lore. Captain Marvel was not as nearly strong as she was in this film. Iron man could 1v1 her and dominate. And this movie was when the push for making the female only marvel verse. Most fans had no problems with strong female characters. Black Widow, Gamora, Mantis, Nebula, Agent Carter. Those were epic women that everyone loved.
when your reaching past elbow deep up your ass to pull out some weird conspiracy to denegrate an actress with energy you would never bring against an actor, it's time for some introspection
The claim that “Brie Larson was not a loved actress” is just not true. She was awarded multiple times for her performance in Room and had plenty of goodwill among people in the industry. She was basically unknown to most MCU fans when she was casted, except maybe fot those who saw her in Community, but since she was the lead in the first Marvel movie led by a woman, she absorbed all of the criticism the movie received and was scrutinized for flaws that people had regularly overlooked in male leads. like her quiet activism compared to Mark Ruffalo, or her seriousness compared to Benedic Cumberbatch. Exacerbated by the fact that the algorithm of the site were people watched interviews, often recommended the most negative content online.
Further, the idea that “even the other cast members hated or disliked her” is simply wrong. The only so-called proof comes from YouTube videos made by some of the most desperate hatemongers online, using clips that are honestly some of embarrassing reaches imaginable.
Also while it’s generally true that most fans have no issue with strong female characters, none of the ones you mentioned were leads in their respective stories. (I’m not counting Agent Carter since it was simply too niche to attract a dedicated anti-fanbase.) The reason Captain Marvel and Brie Larson got more negative attention is because she was a lead. The same thing happened to Jessica Jones, and that was honestly one of the best things the MCU ever produced.
My fav marvel hero and marvel movie
y'all doing ratings and opinions too. Man just wait until phase 4 and 5 lmao
I think one of the major reasons for Marvel's hate is her comic counterpart. She is NOT a good character in the comics, one of them being her directly starting a second Civil War event. This anger transfer over to the movies.
Another reason is...she kinda poorly written in this film. I mean, her last fight with her captain proved she didn't learn anything. He pretty much says 'You think you are more than your powers. Then fight me without them'. And she responds by blasting him with her powers, proving him right. She goes through little to no struggle internally. Think of characters like Tony and Steve. They are more than their powers. But Carol...she's just her powers.
And I say this as someone who loved Carol. My first encounter with her was Earth's Mightiest Heroes (a show you guys SHOULD watch). Her writing in that show is leagues above what the MCU has done with her.
From what I got she struggles with her identity with 6 years of not knowing who she was and then the events of the movie finding it out, also coming to terms with the 6 years of missed life on earth and the fact that she's been used and lied to. She also as her life of a bad relationship with parents and always being looked down on yet still pushing getting back up and joining the military plus all that brings and the outcome we see.
So with that to me she's had internal and external struggles before and during this movie. And once she regains her self she has no need for more just the goal, so knowing who the bad guy is we go kick there ass.
Sure without powers she is just human and would just get beat by a Kree soldier in a 1v1 fist fight as would pre serum Steve or no suit Tony.
That's one part of why I think giving in to his "claim" does nothing the other is because even without using blasts, she'd still be superhuman using some of the powers she got and just have a boring fist fight for some fake sense of approval from someone she doesn't want it from and its not like he gave her powers, he saved and taught her some alien fighting moves while using her.
So I personally disagree that her last fight proved she learned nothing because the fight had nothing to teach imo and to go on one of your other replies Yon Rogg isn't Palps in RotJ to me... he be the death star taking the shot that blows it up after the space stuff in A New Hope xD but again that's just my view I respect and get yours just wanted to share mine <3
I have to disagree with her final fight with Yon Rogg, she didn't prove him right. She didn't have to prove anything to him. He stole her from her home, gaslighted her about who she really was and what her limits are, and then tried to curry their old dynamic with her. She no longer needs his approval. Also I would say her internal stuggle was finding out everything she thought was true about her life was false, and rediscovering who she is and who she wants to be. If the reconilliation with the truth happened too quick, chalk it up to her family helped get her through the storm
He basically said 'You'd be nothing without those powers. Don't believe me, prove me wrong.' Followed by her blasting him with the very powers he said she'd be nothing without them. Again, you don't just beat the villains by 'beating' them. You do it by proving them wrong. Don't believe me? Then why didn't Luke just murk Palps in Return of the Jedi? Because he knew that doing it that way would only damn himself, and prove the Emperor right.
As the saying goes, how we win is just as important as winning.
Okay, using Jude Law's words, who is like main villain in this movie, to say she had no growth is weird. Everything she was told in Hala was a lie, he killed her mentor. She could have easily killed him but instead knocked him down. Her growth in this movie was that remembered she was courageous woman before her powers using those powers for good, to help the Skrulls find a home. Yeah, there could be more character development, but for one movie it was pretty decent.
She remembers she was a courageous woman...yet acts the same after finding that out. Such growth!
And you don't just beat the villains by beating them up. You beat them by proving they are wrong. If she wanted to prove the Captain wrong, she should've done it without her powers. Hell, I'd think it would do well for her character if she tried, was about to lose, and had to use it to win. It would show that she has potential growth because it would prove him right, but show that she only used it as a last resort, not first response.
Like she said she dont have to prove anything, her actually fighting him would have done nothing for her character. All it woulda showed is that she become a better fighter which wouldnt make sense bc we dont see her training.
Doesn't have to prove anything...besides the fact that, without those powers she'd be a nothing burger in the MCU. Seriously, I'd have prefer it if she tried to fight fairly, nearly lost, but then had to use her powers, proving him right, but in the correct way thay would feel satisfying.
This a fantastic movie, saw it in theaters. Only thing I remember about brie larson is some of the others in endgame didn't like working with her.
That's not true at all. Fans online who hated her made that up ( even started doing "body language" analysis videos to support that) but it has no merit to it and everyone was very friendly and joking with her during the Endgame press tour
So the thing with the captain marvel hate as others have stated is that she's already not liked in the comics much, add on top of girl boss hate and the characters arrogance results in a not loved movie but I never judge unless I don't enjoy it
captain marvel needs to be a flying tank in rivals
Off the bat, this movie gets way more hate than it deserves. I think besides seismic it was kind of what happened to ant man 2 which is being caught between the two most anticipated Marvel films of all time and that hurt them both quite a lot
Just like she hulk it's one of the weak of the mcu but it's still watch able the only thing that killed it really as her talking down to Bruce about anger when he literally has a split personality created from suppressed rage and brought to live by gamma energy from hell
She's also saying it right after he tackled her away from splattering the guy from the bar across the sidewalk so either (a) she does have anger issues or (b) she was intentionally trying to murder someone. Either way not a great look when smuggling lecturing someone who tried to kill themselves about how much worse your life is because your a woman.
*besides sexism