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everyone has so much plot armor, it's crazy
Oh, you think you will enjoy and have fun with the rest of the season? How cute lmao
Nothing enrages me more in the entire film and tv industry, then the sloppy writing of this season and the pathetic death of Rhaegal.
That "Oh shit" in unison when Sansa called Tyrion back killed me 💀
Cersei could have shot the scorpion arrows at anyone there at the end, including Dany and her last dragon. But instead, she respects the ceasefire and kills her only hostage.
I saw a comment once, the heartbreaking thing about gendry and arya is, Gendry rivers could have been with her, but Lord gendry baratheon never could.
ouch
I would love to see you guys rank every character
I hate the 2nd half of this season so much, I can't even bring myself to watch the reaction.
same, im just sitting here like no, i dont think i will.
my biggest grip with this season isn't actual the show (yes there is plenty of things to point out) it was the post-show discussion segments where D&D would justify the actions taken in the episode. David literally said Daenerys forgot about the iron fleet as the excuse for why no one was being vigilant or acting as a lookout. the things they said after every single episode were so mind nummingly stupid. i recommend you check out those segments as just a random reaction to understand where the basis of the hatred for D&D comes from
It’s also just bullshit. In the episode we see them planning at Winterfell and Varys says “The Golden Company has arrived by courtesy of the Iron Fleet.” He literally name drops them in front of Dany
The showrunner justification was that Danny FORGOT about the iron fleet. THat was grade A bullcrap. Write better
I remember you guys were talking about how Game of Thrones doesn’t have enough lore stories for their show so I recommend watching the series “Game of Thrones: Histories and Lore” on the channel Thrones Insider. It goes by season and also goes heavily in depth of Robert’s Rebellion and how the Targaryen’s fell and also how much of a badass Prime Robert was. HBO is also releasing loosely based shows off of the prequel stories to the main story
what did they do with the metric fuck ton of wight bones?
This episode is what cemented my opinion of Daenarys. I had been wary of her for seasons due to her obsession with her birthright. She raised an army because of her birthright. She crossed the Narrow Sea because of her birthright. She executed the Tarlys because they wouldn't acknowledge her birthright.
Then, when it turns out that birthright was false, what does she do? Does she abdicate in favor of the one with the actual birthright? Of course not. She still considers it HER birthright. She knows Jon to be an honorable man and that he's willingly giving up the throne to her, but she can't accept the illegitimacy of her original claim. No, it must be hidden in falsehoods. For the good of the realm? Nope. For the sake of herself.
Dany has a lot of good qualities, but contrasting the humbleness of Jon up against her ego really shows in stark relief why he'd make a better leader.
Heh, “Stark relief”
I love hearing you talk about how this episode is amazing while reading so many comments about how much people hate it. The biggest problem I see with the haters is how they expect every character to make completely logical decisions when they've been shown to be flawed throughout the entire series. It blows my mind how many people will theorycraft their way into hating a show because it didn't go exactly how their headcannon said it would. I'll admit that even I do this sometimes. For me, I felt like they through away Jamie's character development, but after seeing this show 9 times all the way through, I realized I'm biased because it's not how I wanted Jamie's story to go. It does make sense that Jamie would go back to Cersei because he is a tragic character. He neraly builds himself into retribution, but abandons it to fulfill his addiction. Do I wish he remained on the path of redemption, yes. Would that have made sense? Yes, but so does the canon outcome of the series. Both make sense and I can be at peace with that. Unfortunately, the haters can't see past their own biases, headcannons, and applications of pure logic to flawed characters. Dany has ALWAYS been a character that acts off her emotion rather than logic, not to mention the non-stop mention of her family's tendency toward insanity. Every decision makes sense for her character, but people still complain that she acts this way. It's mind blowing really.
You guys need to watch Coldplay's Game of Thrones the Musical!! Its on Youtube. It has a bunch of the actors in it, and its hilarious!
That scene with Jon and Daenerys in his room, first time I saw that, my first thought was 'You sound like your brother', specifically on the night when Daenerys ate the horse heart.
I don't really know where to put reccomendations but hbo has the animated show creature commandos, 7 episodes that feels like dc meets archer
but i do love the moment where sansa pins the stark wolf on theon. born a greyjoy, died a stark. 😭
I think regarding "the ending ruining the show" I think most people feel the same way, its just how we articulate it. Like the car crash doesn't diminish the good part of the car ride, but if you lose the ability to walk and go through 6 years of rehab, the positivity of the car ride is a little outshined by the shitty ending
Yeah The scene with the fleet and the dragon is like top 3 most hated moments in the history of the show,the logic is pretty stupid and the director explaining that "danny just forgot about the fleet" pissed people off even more.
I hate everything about this episode. So much character development was thrown out the window. I don't recognize these characters. Almost none of it makes sense. Jamie's character development? Gone. Dany's character development? Gone. The line from Sansa about her abusers making her as strong as she is!? FUCKING HATE IT! This episode sucks so hard.
quot from the writers "dany just kind of forgot about the iron fleet"
you cant make this shit up
I'd be interested in seeing Eric join in for the last episode. Be there for the finale and join in the wrap up and expectations for HoD discussions
These saying that this was an incredible episode my my brain skip a beat. The decisions made in this episode and the character choices where the worse thing ever. Jamie after all that character development just decided nope going to to my sister who literally sent an assassin after him and his brother is fucking silly. Them deciding that Bron will be lord of the Reach, one of the wealthiest of the seven kingdoms a the kingdom with all the food is fucking silly. The reach lord would overthrow Bron before he could even set foot in high garden. The Dragon being shot out of the sky because Danny forgot about the an iron fleet was the worse writing I’ve seen she forgot about the 1,000 ships keeping her from victory fucking really. Her decision to not rest her army the men she claimed to car so much about is fucking silly, before I forget about the iron fleet part they shot down a dragon but appeared right in front of Danny’s fleet and not a single person could see them off the horizon fucking really. Somehow mislande got off the boat first and the iron fleet never got close to them but she was captured really. The wildlings deciding to not stay in the north and help repopulate it or rebuild it but to go back beyond the wall where nothing grows is fucking silly. Lance raider literally united all their clans and Jon gave them what they were looking for safely south of the wall and after years of wars with the north they finally got that but fuck it let’s go back to the uninhabited part of the north .
Are you guys planning to react to the histories and lore extras? If not, I did hear you mention you wanted to watch it, so be forewarned, there are some spoilers for HoTD and KoTSK there.
Sorry, a fleet of ships sneaking up on Danerys and two dragons while they are flying in the sky was dumb. I'm mad they let the second dragon go out like that. They could have made that dragon's death epic during the final battle instead of in this episode. Just seemed like lazy writing to me. Also, how the fuck did they even get Missandei?! And how did they know what ship she was on??? And I hated that they brought Brienne into Jamie's mess only for him to abandon her. That story could have just been left out.
All excellent and valid points haha man…yeah they reeaally fucked up the writing. They will forever be remembered as those who ignorantly fucked up an S tier show because they wanted to “hurry”. Fucking crazy, if both seasons 7 & 8 had 10 episodes each that would’ve been plenty of time to create a satisfying ending. They could’ve kept a lot of what they had, extended some parts, and re-write the dumb shit (sped up parts and ending). Like really? How in the f….you know what I’m done lol. I’m pissed and just typing now
It's funny how you were talking about Jaime's development just before he leaves. The problem is that at this point it's guess work to how this story will go for these characters in the books because the show takes them in different directions. For Jaime for example, it is almost certain that he wouldn't go back to Cercie. Plus with how everything else is going on, it's not about how it stays from the books, they just don't know how to write these characters without GRRM and many characters suffer because of it
the last two episodes are... a lot. I really want to see how you react to the eventual reveal because damn, that's like the worst choice they could have done.
Man, I hate how the destroyed seasons of jaime's arc in one scene. And I could never take Cersei seriously once she started to become so comically evil this season. Like, she does the worst shit imaginable just because
I just don't get how Daenerys is perfectly fine with waiting for years to build up strength to sail to Westeros, but after fighting the literal army of the dead, she is so impatient about the iron throne and then makes dumb decisions that gets her dragon killed bc according to the showrunners she "forgot about the iron fleet". I think it could have worked a lot better if there were more episodes to show Daenerys becoming so unhinged that she would make obvious mistakes but it feel like the writers are just forcing it to happen so that they can get to the end. It's good for characters to change over time, but you need the time to show and justify those changes.
One could argue she began to quickly grow impatient after the loss of Viserion and it was hastened by Rhaegal's demise. The issue, as is always presented with this season, was the pacing and short episode count.
Oh god, I am dreading Episode 4 and 5... Episode 3's ending still pisses me off so many years later and I did not like these episodes either. Welp.... time to rewatch for the first time since this episode aired
Hoping they react to the South Park Black Friday trilogy (3 part Game of Thrones Parody). It’s South Park Season 17, episodes 7-9
you should watch some alt shift x videos explain differnce between the books and show
And a Glidus Pisstake. I would love that so much.
In the words of the director " Danny just forgot about the fleet"😂
I gotta say I don't mind this season, I kinda saw it coming in season 4. It's definitely not optimal for story.
Season 8 second half lets go!